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From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
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Yup! But I still only get a little over 10 m.  Go figger!  
However, assuming that xorxes' reading of 'xu dai' is licit and the target usage 
is fairly common, I wonder about applying the same to other directive language.  
What about 'ko dai'?  Grammatical dissimilarities aside, the function is 
essentially the same.  To be sure, the obvious versions for this usage  "I hear 
you asking me to" (900k) and "I hear you telling me to" (1.8m) are not as common 
and in many cases they are about real commands that the speaker is commenting on 
(the first several entries are for a song with a line like "I hear you asking me 
to be strong Cause relief is on the way" or so), which I did not see in the 
question cases -- but then I didn't read all that many.
Eventually we do get down to projected commands that I either want to do or want 
to object to before they are actually raised.  This seems to me even more 
ridiculous than 'xu dai', but I don't see how to stop the slide once it goes 
beyond attitudinals.




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From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 14, 2011 8:58:02 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: xu dai

Actually, if you put a search in quotes it will search for that specific 
expression and not just word1 AND word2 AND word3 etc...
So when xorxes said that he got 50,500,000 hits for "I hear you ask" (it's up to 
50,700,000 now for me) he means that that specific expression comes up that many 
times not just pages containing all those words.

And all results on the first page are close fits for the usage that xorxes 
describes.


On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:46 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

Well given the frequency of "I" and :you" and probably of "hear" and "asking".
>and given the quirks of search engines, I am not too surprised at 50 million
>"hits".  But you have come up with at least one case that actually used the
>expression, and I suppose there are many (not a million, though) more.
  [snip] 
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;fon=
t-size:12pt"><div>Yup! But I still only get a little over 10 m.&nbsp; Go fi=
gger!&nbsp; <br>However, assuming that xorxes' reading of 'xu dai' is licit=
 and the target usage is fairly common, I wonder about applying the same to=
 other directive language.&nbsp; What about 'ko dai'?&nbsp; Grammatical dis=
similarities aside, the function is essentially the same.&nbsp; To be sure,=
 the obvious versions for this usage&nbsp; "I hear you asking me to" (900k)=
 and "I hear you telling me to" (1.8m) are not as common and in many cases =
they are about real commands that the speaker is commenting on (the first s=
everal entries are for a song with a line like "I hear you asking me to be =
strong Cause relief is on the way" or so), which I did not see in the quest=
ion cases -- but then I didn't read all that many.<br>Eventually we do
 get down to projected commands that I either want to do or want to object =
to before they are actually raised.&nbsp; This seems to me even more ridicu=
lous than 'xu dai', but I don't see how to stop the slide once it goes beyo=
nd attitudinals.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new yo=
rk, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style=3D"font-family:times new ro=
man, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma=
"><hr size=3D"1"><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Luk=
e Bergen &lt;lukeabergen@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bo=
ld;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com<br><b><span style=3D"font-weigh=
t: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, July 14, 2011 8:58:02 AM<br><b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] Re: xu dai<br></fo=
nt><br>
Actually, if you put a search in quotes it will search for that specific ex=
pression and not just word1 AND word2 AND word3 etc...<div>So when xorxes s=
aid that he got 50,500,000 hits for "I hear you ask" (it's up to 50,700,000=
 now for me) he means that that specific expression comes up that many time=
s not just pages containing all those words.</div>

<div><br></div><div>And all results on the first page are close fits for th=
e usage that xorxes describes.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Ju=
l 14, 2011 at 9:46 AM, John E Clifford <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofo=
llow" ymailto=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:kali9putra@yahoo.com">kali9putra@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Well given the frequency of "I" and :you" a=
nd probably of "hear" and "asking".<br>

and given the quirks of search engines, I am not too surprised at 50 millio=
n<br>
"hits". &nbsp;But you have come up with at least one case that actually use=
d the<br>
expression, and I suppose there are many (not a million, though) more.</blo=
ckquote><div>&nbsp; [snip]&nbsp;</div></div></div>

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