From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBDj64rxBBoEEwzrQg@googlegroups.com Sun Jul 17 03:14:09 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QiOMQ-00015C-8q; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:14:09 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf1573078vws.16 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:14:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zhbGJ2+RvXxfgAkgihH3XroDiP+0tXDTXyqw9gjBUgc=; b=P9SVjU7d7djFLXEdmD3/yEGFGk1z2iUP3evYep8DT/qT45hBbECkn+k0xIX2tdV+Oj Ck8tQd4yquI4UWxfRjvJjl1tpSyLu62d/PTUftDGgU+qJjgfusqYW4uBzY9wTDWrqDCa UJPXAgaU2MSm2NzdE1878TycdxDUMA2JuGtGE= Received: by 10.220.113.70 with SMTP id z6mr877363vcp.30.1310897635233; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:13:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.176.68 with SMTP id cg4ls529972vdc.3.gmail; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.89.77 with SMTP id bm13mr1062083vdb.2.1310897634516; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.89.77 with SMTP id bm13mr1062082vdb.2.1310897634490; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f50.google.com (mail-qw0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dp3si2521094vdb.3.2011.07.17.03.13.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.50; Received: by mail-qw0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 5so1270796qwe.9 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:13:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.62.150 with SMTP id x22mr3970771qch.136.1310897634245; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.48.5 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:13:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1310830739.1741.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1310830739.1741.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:13:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] girzu gi'i gunma gi'i se gunma From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16 July 2011 16:38, John E Clifford wrote: > The descriptor involved is useful, though, rounding out the set of distri= butive--neutral--collective lo--lo--loi ? > So, as in English, I talk about > bunches, or groups or crowds, etc. =A0On the one side, this is just a fig= ure of > speech to be ignored. =A0On the other, it can be taken as interposing ano= ther > entity between the things and our reference to them. =A0That this entity = is a > Lesniewskian set and that the logic of such sets is exactly that of thing= s > directly (except for the intervening set-like notation) doesn't prevent s= ome > people from thinking that that these intervening entities are sets and th= us > Cantorian and so reintroducing all the problems (another reason never to = use the > word set outside mathematics), How would you define a Lesniewskian set in Lojban? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.