From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCnvr3wBBoEv_19iA@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 02 11:11:03 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd4eh-0006CE-63; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:11:03 -0700 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf7438821wwf.16 for ; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:10:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=sgcIjFe4NXE8B0FELz1DiqFUa1QEhr0g2Lo2JTSIryM=; b=M4oUve03dWvtI5detJE+rx3HgIoDyDJga6lFUYTIne6TQrWvUCmbjCBTlWfRCixLX+ yfBgbmqgS6K2ssh+9Va+nYDKOKGxz07wQVkc/QdSMYDaTu5J2yko2AGo2PotB+OCG84u URysbv1uf9J9wL7m0Vp18iIlfSCMs54KOb7HU= Received: by 10.216.137.231 with SMTP id y81mr890407wei.27.1309630247588; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:10:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.9.96 with SMTP id k32ls2083140wbk.2.gmail; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.173.76 with SMTP id o12mr329118wbz.6.1309630246293; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.173.76 with SMTP id o12mr329117wbz.6.1309630246266; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h15si157385wbo.1.2011.07.02.11.10.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; Received: by mail-ww0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 22so2943786wwf.18 for ; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.217.6.79 with SMTP id x57mr2214413wes.10.1309630246078; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 14:10:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Is it a lie? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301fb9379ac91404a71a0df5 --20cf301fb9379ac91404a71a0df5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Haha, too true. But a lie can't be a tease? In an effort to "show you all" I googled the definition http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie Mea culpa Intention to deceive IS important. So I guess the hypothetical little bugger (I don't actually have any kids) did lie. Reading further it looks like this sort of deception falls under the category of "lie by ommision". On the other hand what I do to my wife is a "jocose lie". That was one of the more informative/interesting wiki stumbles. What the hell was wrong with St Augustine though?! A lie that harms no-one and saves someone is "more severe" than a lie that harms no-one and /helps/ someone?! I must be misunderstanding his classification scheme On Jul 2, 2011 1:44 PM, "Krzysztof Sobolewski" wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf301fb9379ac91404a71a0df5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Haha, too true.=A0 But a lie can't be a tease?

In an effort to "show you all" I googled the definition
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wi= ki/Lie
Mea culpa
Intention to deceive IS important.

So I guess the hypothetical little bugger (I don't actually have any= kids) did lie.=A0 Reading further it looks like this sort of deception fal= ls under the category of "lie by ommision".=A0 On the other hand = what I do to my wife is a "jocose lie".

That was one of the more=A0 informative/interesting wiki stumbles.
What the hell was wrong with St Augustine though?!=A0 A lie that harms no-o= ne and saves someone is "more severe" than a lie that harms no-on= e and /helps/ someone?!=A0 I must be misunderstanding his classification sc= heme

On Jul 2, 2011 1:44 PM, "Krzysztof Sobolews= ki" <jezuch@interia.pl>= wrote:

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