From lojban+bncCLr6ktCfBBDD8pbxBBoEVkKyTQ@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 19 10:11:42 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QjDlS-0003lq-Tl; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:10:47 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf8959201wyh.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:05:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IR59bH5ly/K4lt+CbrJsnHT1EwTd1HDB92YBixlKVPc=; b=zuVMcomJHArWapLay/sGV81OJ2jn7Q+2h1t2yOGEe98yqJaD3MoniZDMGhgrPfwQ4l rQzY3adXo236uxrrJp4MVfqkZYAWlKcMN0PIUhQWprO4oUP5S1D20u47dbTS5O1R63q2 ti240z/64LD2Aae5PtN2QeR0UdzKCrEpkxDhY= Received: by 10.216.81.134 with SMTP id m6mr2861789wee.3.1311095107070; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.26.37 with SMTP id b37ls359859eea.5.gmail; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.98.76 with SMTP id u52mr727603eef.51.1311095106128; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.98.76 with SMTP id u52mr727602eef.51.1311095106112; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f173.google.com (mail-iy0-f173.google.com [209.85.210.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x46si108281eeh.2.2011.07.19.10.05.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.173 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.210.173; Received: by iyb39 with SMTP id 39so3959359iyb.18 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.51.4 with SMTP id b4mr7165529ibg.64.1311095103455; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.243.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y3sm3716181ibc.20.2011.07.19.10.05.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:04:59 -0600 From: ".alyn.post." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating << performance errors >> in Lojban Message-ID: <20110719170459.GK55609@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20110719165213.GJ55609@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.173 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable da and do are both in KOhA: {sa do} erases back to the previously uttered KOhA, {da}, and replaces it with {do}. -Alan On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:02:24PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > how do you understand "sa" to work such that {roda boda sa do broda} > =3D> {roda bo do broda}? >=20 > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:52 PM, .alyn.post. > wrote: > > You can say ungrammatical/incorrect things in front of si and sa, and > > si/sa will erase them. =A0You have to be careful when the mispronouncia= tion > > results in multiple words--you need to speak the correct number of > > si or make sure that if you accidentally utter a word in a grammatical > > class that is the same that you want to back up to that you include > > the correct number of sa: > > > > # correct: > > =A0ro da borda si broda =3D> ro da broda > > # incorrect, requires two si: > > =A0ro da boda si broda =3D> ro da bo broda > > > > # correct: > > =A0ro da borda sa do broda =3D> ro do broda > > # incorrect, requires two sa: > > =A0ro da boda sa do broda =3D> ro da bo do broda > > > > -Alan > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 09:43:58AM -0700, Escape Landsome wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> A performance error is when you mispronounce one or several words. > >> > >> Assume for instance you're Winnie-the-Pooh and want to say "elephant", > >> but this results in "ephalant"... > >> > >> What is the lojbanic way to render performance errors ? =A0 How to > >> translate Pooh's << ephalant >> ? > >> > >> -- .esk > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups "lojban" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googl= egroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/l= ojban?hl=3Den. > >> > > > > -- > > .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@google= groups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lo= jban?hl=3Den. > > > > >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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