From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCtgJfxBBoEPKhqEw@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 19 10:40:45 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QjEE1-0003PF-0x; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:39:50 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf9003655wyh.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:34:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JA2GdzKCiVa4E4USgyRae2wDkuVKGxO5ExhLSM0TveE=; b=LtmEcLdNC2AgStGo5zWPxfLWSmaPa8Pkl7DBmAbE+QWuDjgcvLBHMuB6XbLmCIlSOn HXqE7Q4Rj4HvwdkOo/wpwNQI93nslJotPoZLf0hvfnSHciobNwsKIgLcH1KwPvjc84tX hr98gdkEmLrpB4JWOvlPt2qPVjaIkBflJoQfg= Received: by 10.216.59.2 with SMTP id r2mr433770wec.1.1311096877158; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:34:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.149.75 with SMTP id s11ls1842675wbv.2.gmail; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.28.30 with SMTP id k30mr534336wbc.11.1311096876287; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.28.30 with SMTP id k30mr534335wbc.11.1311096876272; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f178.google.com (mail-wy0-f178.google.com [74.125.82.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l4si5698097wbo.3.2011.07.19.10.34.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.178; Received: by wyf19 with SMTP id 19so2401952wyf.23 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.68.200 with SMTP id l50mr4351533wed.106.1311096876085; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:34:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.13 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:34:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Luke Bergen Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:34:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think you want {nu} "asking the question" =3D> {nu preti} "finding not the answer" =3D> {nu na facki lo danfu} On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Escape Landsome wrote= : > Hi > > It must be me, but I'm not quite sure of how to handle gerunds when > translating them into Lojban. > > The problem is the following, I have two chapters whose titles are : > > << Asking the Question >> > > << Finding not the Answer >> > > Now, the problem is that these gerunds can be understood as a way to > assert the process of << x1 asks the Question >> and << x1 doesn't > find the Answer >>, where x1 =3D zo'e =A0(isn't it ?) > > But it is not clear what the tense import is... > > Is the only thing to do to write a bridi that has x1 =3D zo'e ? =A0 Or > must I precise some more words in order to imply a distinction of > meaning between << Asking the Question >> and << somebody asks the > Question, but I don't care who (or, it is too obvious) >> ? > > Thanks in advance ! > > -- .esk > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.