From lojban+bncCO2N0YfCFhCogpfxBBoE3JBmwQ@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 19 10:44:45 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QjEI3-0004KC-T3; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:43:49 -0700 Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31sf4815954qyk.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:38:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=83q2qUbPcKirQzhlrE2ffyiMya+qvKRKUKdJwydwoi8=; b=GB6Uc3kgfW/4ZQJ4hmL6nfzRiN/WJPzmhl3EMlEmWHgw1s5o895HU0zlKhVz3pMqN9 HqmhEMZ2jhHvc3jPaS1eSn7YnfRg62xPyiBtSWYtBnss7nCLhcSegHmCp5aWy5V3De2i 9Czj9T7pbZ9LPOqzdpgEYG5TlVm2pLi/inkWQ= Received: by 10.229.2.78 with SMTP id 14mr908001qci.17.1311097128687; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:38:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.20.10 with SMTP id d10ls353355qab.4.gmail; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.17.131 with SMTP id s3mr4437229qaa.6.1311097128148; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.17.131 with SMTP id s3mr4437228qaa.6.1311097128140; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from li60-119.members.linode.com (linode.feoh.org [97.107.130.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ix17si4573320qcb.3.2011.07.19.10.38.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 97.107.130.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) client-ip=97.107.130.119; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by li60-119.members.linode.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QjEFq-0005Lg-GF for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:38:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities From: Kevin Reid In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:38:46 -0700 Message-Id: References: To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Original-Sender: kpreid@switchb.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 97.107.130.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) smtp.mail=kpreid@switchb.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:18, Escape Landsome wrote: > Hi >=20 > It must be me, but I'm not quite sure of how to handle gerunds when > translating them into Lojban. >=20 > The problem is the following, I have two chapters whose titles are : >=20 > << Asking the Question >> >=20 > << Finding not the Answer >> >=20 > Now, the problem is that these gerunds can be understood as a way to > assert the process of << x1 asks the Question >> and << x1 doesn't > find the Answer >>, where x1 =3D zo'e (isn't it ?) >=20 > But it is not clear what the tense import is... >=20 > Is the only thing to do to write a bridi that has x1 =3D zo'e ? Or > must I precise some more words in order to imply a distinction of > meaning between << Asking the Question >> and << somebody asks the > Question, but I don't care who (or, it is too obvious) >> ? You want to talk about asking the question; not that it has been/will be as= ked. Therefore you want an abstractor. Perhaps {li'i}, {zu'o} or {nu} would be appropriate. le nu preti (or "le nu reibroda", per my previous message) le nu na facki fi le danfu (Note that there are a variety of ways to write the latter, depending on ex= actly which sort of "not" you have in mind; such as finding things, but not= that which is the answer, or not finding anything at all, or finding somet= hing interesting but not the answer, or finding an answer not to the Questi= on...) --=20 Kevin Reid --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.