From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARDWiZfxBBoER-3Nlw@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 19 11:00:43 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QjEXG-0006o5-N1; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:59:47 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf229387fxd.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:54:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1zUNAwEL10tYEoXSzbv8dswNqmdtSoGnTLhZ5PPfB3Q=; b=W/6b369vleQUnw+tabSoMkR1cEy1teqgvBkohun06abCGQaXoCJiRUpG9toz4UsKWM lVgIU2QaN62x1KEc8Zg9S4Ihkxy4YeOTdv0bFgfZA947srTjjOV2ojQvrQLlMs18+NcI LyNWzVxWbTdTBy8Cb/MIeRu7pTJ5oP7NvWoF8= Received: by 10.223.145.19 with SMTP id b19mr1527698fav.17.1311098070898; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:54:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.11.11 with SMTP id r11ls1215838bkr.1.gmail; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.83.144 with SMTP id f16mr897161bkl.17.1311098069534; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.83.144 with SMTP id f16mr897160bkl.17.1311098069503; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f49.google.com (mail-fx0-f49.google.com [209.85.161.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g16si53544faa.3.2011.07.19.10.54.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.49; Received: by fxd20 with SMTP id 20so373426fxd.8 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:54:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.26.70 with SMTP id d6mr12096648fac.78.1311098069215; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.93.203 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:54:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:54:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173fef80ae685204a86fce92 --0015173fef80ae685204a86fce92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But, I can give some of these: lo nu na facki fi le danfu An event of not finding [an answer to] the question. This says nothing about whether any finding of anything else happens. lo nu facki fi na'e le danfu An event of finding [an answer to] something other than the question This asserts that finding does happen, but that it does *not* involve the question lo nu na facki fi da This asserts that no finding happens (assuming {da} isn't already bound in some fashion). .a'o sidju .i mu'o mi'e latros On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > All of them at the same time? That's just not going to happen; that's a > level and type of ambiguity Lojban won't put up with. > > > mu'o mi'e .latros. > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Escape Landsome wrote: > >> > le nu na facki fi le danfu >> > >> > (Note that there are a variety of ways to write the latter, depending on >> exactly which sort of "not" you have in mind; such as finding things, but >> not that which is the answer, or not finding anything at all, or finding >> something interesting but not the answer, or finding an answer not to the >> Question...) >> >> This is quite complicated, because it may be all of these cases. I >> mean, is there a way to translate all of these possibilities in a >> minimalist way ? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015173fef80ae685204a86fce92 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But, I can give some of these:
lo nu na facki fi le danfu
An event of= not finding [an answer to] the question. This says nothing about whether a= ny finding of anything else happens.
lo nu facki fi na'e le danfu An event of finding [an answer to] something other than the question
Thi= s asserts that finding does happen, but that it does *not* involve the ques= tion
lo nu na facki fi da
This asserts that no finding happens (assum= ing {da} isn't already bound in some fashion).

.a'o sidju .i mu'o mi'e latros

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
All of them at the same time? That's ju= st not going to happen; that's a level and type of ambiguity Lojban won= 't put up with.


mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Escape = Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0le nu na facki fi le danfu
>
> (Note that there are a variety of ways to write the latter, depending = on exactly which sort of "not" you have in mind; such as finding = things, but not that which is the answer, or not finding anything at all, o= r finding something interesting but not the answer, or finding an answer no= t to the Question...)

This is quite complicated, because it may be all of these cases. =A0 = I
mean, is there a way to translate all of these possibilities in a
minimalist way ?

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