From lojban+bncCOib25n_BhDFkZfxBBoEEHE8Xw@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 19 11:17:23 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QjEnU-0007Qm-4f; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:16:28 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf9047277wyh.16 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:11:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eDKjGKW8sxv5HGMwRMkIZ8ZR+xq+vblxkkO9k8QQbEs=; b=zbi57OZoeOKvCkdY40udmoYEs5MGEx1zT91zSf3fzzjhBIe1UtbAU4IKvjEj5Ik/ql PHSWkSCFrBFW+0MIa3SMcWuCpo6tUCUZxNzs0B8zkvW4fdllzIFwDnW54NVB4rv2cDZ/ 4WHmYjujgw8W5Sln5AvKLuFOc/4ep89OhFx9s= Received: by 10.216.237.208 with SMTP id y58mr459042weq.7.1311099077217; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:11:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.26.37 with SMTP id b37ls364757eea.5.gmail; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.45.10 with SMTP id o10mr729885eeb.36.1311099076222; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.45.10 with SMTP id o10mr729884eeb.36.1311099076194; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p1si152902eeh.1.2011.07.19.11.11.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.182; Received: by mail-ey0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 7so317854eyg.41 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:11:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.48.74 with SMTP id q10mr2067163bkf.348.1311099075974; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.70.196 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:11:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1a31142c-73c8-45fd-ac25-fd6cd9e4caca@g2g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:11:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] How to translate special emphasis on a word ("terming") From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d99c91b055c304a8700a5f --0016e6d99c91b055c304a8700a5f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Isn't that what exactly what {za'e} is for? On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > hmmm, I'm not sure. I think it would depend on the context. > > I usually interpret {bi'unai} as something like "the whatever that we > were talking about" and sometimes that forces me to think back on all > the "whatevers" that we've talked about. > > So it wouldn't work if you wanted to compare "the Dog" against > "ordinary dogs" because {bi'unai} COULD be interpreted as talking > about "ordinary dogs". > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Escape Landsome > wrote: > > 2011/7/19 Luke Bergen : > >> you could use {bi'unai}. e.g. {lo bi'unai gerku} is a way of saying > >> something akin to "the dog (the one we we've been talking about)" > > > > Would this work even if that's a dog we are talking about, but maybe > > in another sections of the book, or even only *way* later ? > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Luke Bergen &= lt;lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
hmmm, I'm not sure. =A0I think it would= depend on the context.

I usually interpret {bi'unai} as something like "the whatever that= we
were talking about" and sometimes that forces me to think back on all<= br> the "whatevers" that we've talked about.

So it wouldn't work if you wanted to compare "the Dog" agains= t
"ordinary dogs" because {bi'unai} COULD be interpreted as tal= king
about "ordinary dogs".

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/7/19 Luke Bergen <luk= eabergen@gmail.com>:
>> you could use {bi'unai}. =A0e.g. {lo bi'unai gerku} is a w= ay of saying
>> something akin to "the dog (the one we we've been talking= about)"
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> Would this work even if that's a dog we are talking about, but may= be
> in another sections of the book, or even only *way* later ?
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