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All this putting quotes or other markers around deliberately deviant words is s 
little like puttin "[sic]" after every word in Unca' Remus.  It doesn't just 
miss the point, it kills it dead away.  Presumably, the word for "ephalant" is  
'xatno' and if you are of the "heffalump" school, maybe even 'taxno' or 'naxto', 
assuming they are not taken  -- as they aren't.  I would hope that a three year 
old (well, maybe a little older) Lojbanist would get it.


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From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re:  [lojban] Translating << performance errors >> in  Lojban

Seems more likely that they'd be in lo'u/le'u quotes myself, but an interesting 
idea nonetheless.

mu'o mi'e latros


On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is the lojbanic way to render performance errors ?   How to
>> translate Pooh's << ephalant >> ?
>
>I'm reminded of how Jorge translated "curiouser and curiouser" as
>{cizra je ci'izra}.
>
>Most writing in Lojban renders speech in an idealized form, which I
>suppose is true in English as well.  Occasionally people do write
>Lojban in a way that seems to textually represent different ways of
>producing the sounds of words, for instance there was a while when it
>was popular to say {.yyyyy.} to mean a very long, very uncertain {.y.}
>(though that usage is waning).  It would be interesting to read a
>story that used messy realistic transcriptions for the dialog, perhaps
>in {zoi} quotes.
>
>mi'e la stela selckiku
>mu'o
>
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<div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size=
:12pt;"><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;f=
ont-size:12pt;">All this putting quotes or other markers around deliberatel=
y deviant words is s little like puttin "[sic]" after every word in Unca' R=
emus.&nbsp; It doesn't just miss the point, it kills it dead away.&nbsp; Pr=
esumably, the word for "ephalant" is&nbsp; 'xatno' and if you are of the "h=
effalump" school, maybe even 'taxno' or 'naxto', assuming they are not take=
n&nbsp; -- as they aren't.&nbsp; I would hope that a three year old (well, =
maybe a little older) Lojbanist would get it.<br><div style=3D"font-family:=
times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><font size=3D"2" f=
ace=3D"Tahoma"><hr size=3D"1"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</s=
pan></b> Ian Johnson &lt;blindbravado@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com<br><b><span
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M<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
 [lojban] Translating &lt;&lt; performance errors &gt;&gt; in
 Lojban<br></font><br>
Seems more likely that they'd be in lo'u/le'u quotes myself, but an interes=
ting idea nonetheless.<br><br>mu'o mi'e latros<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Stela Selckiku <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:selckiku@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"mailto:selckiku@gmail.com">selckiku@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im">On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1=
2:43 PM, Escape Landsome &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:escaaape=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:escaaape@gmail.com">escaaape@g=
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&gt;<br>
&gt; What is the lojbanic way to render performance errors ? &nbsp; How to<=
br>
&gt; translate Pooh's &lt;&lt; ephalant &gt;&gt; ?<br>
<br>
</div>I'm reminded of how Jorge translated "curiouser and curiouser" as<br>
{cizra je ci'izra}.<br>
<br>
Most writing in Lojban renders speech in an idealized form, which I<br>
suppose is true in English as well. &nbsp;Occasionally people do write<br>
Lojban in a way that seems to textually represent different ways of<br>
producing the sounds of words, for instance there was a while when it<br>
was popular to say {.yyyyy.} to mean a very long, very uncertain {.y.}<br>
(though that usage is waning). &nbsp;It would be interesting to read a<br>
story that used messy realistic transcriptions for the dialog, perhaps<br>
in {zoi} quotes.<br>
<br>
mi'e la stela selckiku<br>
mu'o<br>
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