From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCJzqXxBBoEPvPFgA@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 22 05:04:02 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QkES4-0002YA-Di; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:04:02 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf1952957qwh.16 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:03:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lavjAHeIdlb6X/k1DRzrUT7/8GWsEnDwKs7k/8C7b3M=; b=c5gJDkglAU8nymmjGgPtf8leMdlg+clu8Rvz5cetI7IMBe6jELaoSOz3FaUxFZDHlp ubmyZpKJTgqMOybIfsh0yhzN0yCBISjH7AE5UoakLGHczcghzIjUlj6sdO1i6YWsQVWM jDU3M2HixWVO6f9t0oBKrDBBLVT2e51aHlEyM= Received: by 10.224.203.137 with SMTP id fi9mr159584qab.46.1311336201959; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:03:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.174.3 with SMTP id r3ls527068qaz.1.gmail; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.17.131 with SMTP id s3mr1269949qaa.6.1311336201301; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.17.131 with SMTP id s3mr1269948qaa.6.1311336201292; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p20si1954434qca.0.2011.07.22.05.03.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.54; Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so2135717vws.13 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:03:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.112.70 with SMTP id io6mr1460787vdb.512.1311336201062; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.111.198 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:03:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:03:21 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Meaning of multiple negations From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Ian Johnson wrote: > {na} has full bridi scope (which is *radically* different from how natlangs, > or at least English, work); That in itself wouldn't be a problem. More troublesome is that "full bridi scope" is not well defined. What would you say are the relative scopes of "su'o", "gi'e" and "na" in: su'o prenu cu ricfu gi'e na gleki (I say that means "su'o da poi prenu zo'u ge da ricfu gi da na gleki" but that puts "na" within the scope of both "su'o" and "gi'e", so no "full bridi scope" there.) mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.