From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC7qqvxBBoE8gdazg@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 23 07:06:01 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qkcq5-0001lO-Vp; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 07:06:01 -0700 Received: by vxg38 with SMTP id 38sf1581971vxg.16 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 07:05:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=07uxBawsS+3M6SRRXm+ZJNbG6m1FbPVC7tllA/U0as8=; b=NceqToR9YMqPiFgUMgJEUzQxtYbmZlX4NvPIs8XH9reBVTrKDdUfs3D1AMcg9WqnyU aXpUcaszTHeyCh+6B0mxCpahxUbk2ctixjrD7XwHWM67POFr47Gb49Rce0Pu98uwHHEJ 3bG5c5++XpJUuDQrzj9A4Cup58xp59gHHLhOo= Received: by 10.220.210.194 with SMTP id gl2mr415176vcb.6.1311429947715; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 07:05:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.96.197 with SMTP id du5ls1153641vdb.1.gmail; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.173.178 with SMTP id bl18mr697397vdc.32.1311429946861; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.173.178 with SMTP id bl18mr697396vdc.32.1311429946854; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f175.google.com ([209.85.220.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v20si2767834vdu.2.2011.07.23.07.05.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 23 Jul 2011 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.175; Received: by vxh2 with SMTP id 2so2347152vxh.6 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.95.206 with SMTP id dm14mr2491386vdb.378.1311429946772; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.111.198 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:05:46 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Meaning of multiple negations From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 8:22 PM, .arpis. wrote: > I guess I'm unsure as to how far-reaching the implications of "na na = ja'a" > are... > If I say, e.g. {noda node bacru}, does this become {naku su'oda naku su'ode > bacru} which becomes {naku naku roda su'ode bacru} which becomes {roda > su'ode bacru} or more simply {roda de bacru}? > Does "No one made no sound." mean "Everyone made some sound."? Exactly. And similarly with "me'i da", which is "naku roda", so: me'i da no de = su'o da su'o de no da me'i de = ro da ro de me'i da me'i de = su'o da ro de "Not everyone made no sound" = "Someone made some sound". "No one made less than every sound" = "Everyone made every sound" "Not everyone made less than every sound" = "Someone made every sound". mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.