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2011/7/23 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:57 AM, tijlan wrote: >> Is this correct: >> >> la cribe >> =3D la'o zo cribe zo >> =3D la'e zo cribe noi cmene >> =3D zo'e noi se cmene zo cribe (and not: da poi se cmene zo cribe) > > I would agree with that, yes. > >> Also, do you agree with this CLL19.10 statement: >> >> A rough equivalent of ``la'o'' might be ``la me zoi'' > > Very rough, because "la me zoi gy John gy" is actually more like "la'o > cizra me zoi gy John gy cizra". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >"lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at=20 >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. 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From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, July 23, 2011 12:31:39 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] la, la'o, la'= e

The only thing about that first thing that strikes me as weird is that "la = cribe" seems like it should eventually come out to something like "zo'e = poi se cmene zo cribe"

Shouldn't names be restrictiv= e and not merely indicative?

2011/7/23 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:57 AM, tijl= an <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wr= ote:
>> Is this correct:
>>
>> la cribe
>> =3D = la'o zo cribe zo
>> =3D la'e zo cribe noi cmene
>> =3D zo= 'e noi se cmene zo cribe (and not: da poi se cmene zo cribe)
>
> I would agree with that, yes.
>
>> Also, do you agree w= ith this CLL19.10 statement:
>>
>>  A rough equivale= nt of ``la'o'' might be ``la me zoi''
>
> Very rough, because "= la me zoi gy John gy" is actually more like "la'o
> cizra me zoi gy John gy cizra".
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
&g= t;
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