From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhCd-KzxBBoExytfIg@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 23 14:25:00 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qkjgt-00037S-EZ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:24:59 -0700 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4sf3414297gyg.16 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:24:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=W4MGH2s6BTDrPzkR/DK43/oZvqVQeGb+HrikzviJpeY=; b=y8H17Wd/pyCqSA+L0JFIOzq5MS4wd3bfiVgCeRhCjlRURnfxjxAcBJLWkyqBYNiTD4 Uw5umtXHk4OmYGJcEOl0ONenLvto0yNENaq49TD/7JtOV8zOM5EHXOWuxOv9EjGYlSiu QbCtPJUnkVuFQgDyxM8kiAjr9k7b9HS3FiyFE= Received: by 10.146.173.3 with SMTP id v3mr315685yae.10.1311456285090; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:24:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.185.5 with SMTP id cm5ls494342ibb.3.gmail; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.51.193 with SMTP id vj1mr848339icb.33.1311456284443; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.51.193 with SMTP id vj1mr848338icb.33.1311456284434; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f178.google.com (mail-iy0-f178.google.com [209.85.210.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k1si1741719icn.4.2011.07.23.14.24.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.178; Received: by mail-iy0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 26so4325441iyb.23 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.26.13 with SMTP id d13mr1788059wfj.226.1311456284265; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:24:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.60.9 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:24:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Stela Selckiku Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:24:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] groupyness in definitions To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Is there a way to say "all of the things in xyxipa taken as individuals > are=A0different=A0from each of (all of the things in the set xyxipa minus= itself > as individuals) in property xyxire". Well, I think you've figured it out yourself. Each of them isn't actually different from each of them, for each of them there's one of them (itself) from which it differs not at all. So, perhaps {da'a}: {ro me xy xi pa cu frica da'a me xy xi pa xy xi re}. Or to be more specific something like: {ro me xy xi pa cu frica ro me xy xi pa poi na du vo'a ku'o xy xi re}. But incidentally I'm not sure that's what {vrici} means. I would say it means only that {ro me xy xi pa cu na dunli ro me xy xi pa xy xi re}, that they are not all the same in that quality, and perhaps implying that there's quite a variety, but for instance I would say that a bunch of balls which are each either yellow, red, or blue would collectively {vrici lo ka skari} even though many pairs of them are identically colored. mu'o mi'e la stela selckiku --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.