Still catching up on emai= ls... On the two issues of this thread:

1) I am in concord with John Clifford (for a change). I t= hink "xu dai" is close to meaningless, despite being grammatical. I q= uote from the glico jbovlaste entry for "dai": "*attitudinal* modifier: mar= ks empathetic use of preceding *attitudinal* [emphasis added]" And xu is " = discursive: true-false question." Not all UI are attitudinals (chapte= r 13 of CLL parts 1-10 refer to attitudinals, and, as part 11 says, "Now we= proceed from the attitudinal indicators and their relatives to the other, = semantically unrelated, categories of indicators" ) Xu is not an= an attitudinal, and therefore the sentence "xu dai broda" has no more mean= ing than "dai broda" (after all, "dai" can grammaticaly appear by itself) (= incidentally, CLL classifies xu as a "miscellaneous", not a "discursive", b= ut in either case, not a "attitudinal")

2) "mi cadzu" does indeed mean "I w= alk" or "I am a walker". To be more precise, it means "walks(me,zo'e,= zo'e)". There is no significant difference in meaning in this case be= tween "mi cadzu" and "mi me lo cadzu", as lojban does not distinguish = nouns and verbs. It describes functions and relationships. Where the = "me lo" construction DOES become useful is in relation to things that can o= nly be linked to sumti and not selbri, such as NOI and GOI: "la xank. me lo= gerku po mi" "Hank is one of my dogs" (dog-belonging-to-me(Hank= )) (since we can't directly attach NOI/GOI to selbri as I've alwa= ys maintained would be a Good Thing (tm).

= --gejyspa

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:57 PM, John E. Cliffor= d <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:=

A possible actually useful use o= f 'dai' away from home would be with the FAhA 2s to indicate whose left or = right, etc. you mean.

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