From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDdwMDxBBoEsacEeA@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 27 07:28:00 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm55T-0004xZ-TU; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:28:00 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf2450914gwb.16 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:27:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bAz06TjamW8AZQ8XPA6NU7fVZF0LR4syariYDgD4luQ=; b=isz7Pr+s/j2o5K1rKA36pcy497c/aKzt7ac2fYvK/SqDiabuJhd0Ba/vzPAZU6qEx2 Jb0ZwVNfwOM39N+Am4fOUfVo8ThU5B6cD/1xtTl186bMXFwNz1vfCBSAo6puxGnqyQ6f NpwFlp11uIAyKQRfNf/MYVDbfcNBNjmSN0e7w= Received: by 10.236.175.166 with SMTP id z26mr21193yhl.67.1311776861645; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:27:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.160.20 with SMTP id m20ls1067094ago.0.gmail; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.187.7 with SMTP id x7mr36788yhm.34.1311776860584; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.187.7 with SMTP id x7mr36787yhm.34.1311776860563; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com (mail-yx0-f179.google.com [209.85.213.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 37si1028853ybv.3.2011.07.27.07.27.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.179; Received: by mail-yx0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 34so924018yxm.10 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:27:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.34.34 with SMTP id w2mr172720pbi.291.1311776859701; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.47.166 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:27:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201107191408.50207.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201107191408.50207.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:27:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52163dfbf41f304a90dd931 --bcaec52163dfbf41f304a90dd931 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of course, if you are outlining the steps of finding an answer, "pu'u" would be more specific than "nu". Also, are you really discovering the answer or just looking for one? In that case, "sisku" might be better than "facki". Also, Pierre, formally speaking, the X2 of facki is a fact (du'u). Not 100% sure "lo danfu" belongs there, although I suppose it could be. --gejyspa On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 19 July 2011 13:54:29 Ian Johnson wrote: > > But, I can give some of these: > > lo nu na facki fi le danfu > > An event of not finding [an answer to] the question. This says nothing > > about whether any finding of anything else happens. > > lo nu facki fi na'e le danfu > > An event of finding [an answer to] something other than the question > > This asserts that finding does happen, but that it does *not* involve t= he > > question > > lo nu na facki fi da > > This asserts that no finding happens (assuming {da} isn't already bound > in > > some fashion). > > I would say "(nu) facki lo danfu". mi facki le danfu le preti =3D I find = the > answer to the question. > > In general, I think that titles (of sections, books, etc.) should be briv= la > or > selbri ("preti" and "nu preti" are both selbri). Of course, some titles a= re > proper nouns, and should be rendered as sumti. > > By the way, it's "reirbroda". "reibroda" falls apart. You could also > say "comrei", "reidza", and a few others. > > Pierre > -- > La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. > Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --bcaec52163dfbf41f304a90dd931 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 Of course, if you are outlining the steps of find= ing an answer, "pu'u" would be more specific than "nu&qu= ot;.=A0 Also, are you really discovering the answer or just looking for one= ?=A0 In that case, "sisku" might be better than "facki"= . Also, Pierre, formally speaking, the X2 of facki is a fact (du'u). No= t 100% sure "lo danfu" belongs there, although I suppose it could= be.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa
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On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.n= u> wrote:
On Tuesday 19 July 2011 13:54:29 Ian Johnson wrote:
&g= t; But, I can give some of these:
> lo nu na facki fi le danfu
>= ; An event of not finding [an answer to] the question. This says nothing > about whether any finding of anything else happens.
> lo nu fack= i fi na'e le danfu
> An event of finding [an answer to] something= other than the question
> This asserts that finding does happen, but= that it does *not* involve the
> question
> lo nu na facki fi da
> This asserts that no fin= ding happens (assuming {da} isn't already bound in
> some fashion= ).

I would say "(nu) facki lo danfu". mi facki le da= nfu le preti =3D I find the
answer to the question.

In general, I think that titles (of sections= , books, etc.) should be brivla or
selbri ("preti" and "n= u preti" are both selbri). Of course, some titles are
proper nouns,= and should be rendered as sumti.

By the way, it's "reirbroda". "reibroda" falls = apart. You could also
say "comrei", "reidza", and a = few others.

Pierre
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Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.
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