From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDQ88LwBBoELQo0LA@googlegroups.com Sun Jul 03 11:50:12 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QdRk4-0005Wx-HX; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:50:12 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf8531426wyh.16 for ; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:49:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=7LwzvhXnpqmK7gpZiGRgmdpjyHCTbqDp/HOm65SRBZs=; b=IvzSpMAeHW+YFvQ3aPzqUdTdl9c8U2bbIEsxTkF0DmGO+uDmYWcJR/iExfgDT2kLlw wHKvIhavpH9P5XmNJpUnzi75g0swClnFWYYn/qIHxzRz2tikvPbqJI6VhNX6z0Gs8yzP Q0N4OejPDoiQMEvDM/0VwJ29mOtL4WKTVL8UY= Received: by 10.216.140.140 with SMTP id e12mr1113919wej.11.1309718992419; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:49:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.248.161 with SMTP id v33ls1851619wer.2.gmail; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.90.147 with SMTP id e19mr163314wef.8.1309718991344; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.90.147 with SMTP id e19mr163313wef.8.1309718991325; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23si5673571wbp.2.2011.07.03.11.49.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.172; Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26so3117286wyj.3 for ; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.235.95 with SMTP id t73mr4580945weq.10.1309718991149; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 11:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Luke Bergen Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 14:49:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] zasni+gerna+cenba+vreji To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015176f1a643918d304a72eb717 --0015176f1a643918d304a72eb717 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When asked about "gije" someone replied with a link to the page for the zasni gerna cenba vreji ( http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=zasni+gerna+cenba+vreji) I don't see anything about "gije" on that page but it could very well be that that construct being legal and having the same meaning as "gi'e" is just a bi-product of one of the changes listed. Could someone go into a little detail on which of the changes on that page makes "gije" behave like "gi'e"? Also, in reading through that page it seems sad that "sa" would just disappear. Couldn't we just give it a meaning that's more specific? My first thought is to redefine it to always mean "erase everything back to the last '.i' ". So many times I want to say "ok, I screwed up this entire sentence beyond hope... crap, su will kill the whole discourse but to use si I'm going to have to spend a few minutes figuring out how many words I've said." Then I usually end up just making a whole new bridi to say "ignore that last convoluted mess. What I meant to say was: ". A second thought; what if we redefine sa to mean "take the next word as a token and erase backwards until you find that token". Thus "mi citka lo cmalu cifnu .y. .oicai sa citka cikygau lo cmalu cifnu" results in the much more savory "mi cigygau lo cmalu cifnu". And finally, my last question. Should I have put these questions/comments on the tiki page? I haven't done much with tiki/wiki so it'd be new to me but I do want to discuss this stuff in the proper location. ki'e mu'o mi'e la .cribe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015176f1a643918d304a72eb717 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When asked about "gije" someone replied with a link to the page f= or the=A0zasni gerna cenba vreji (http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki= -index.php?page=3Dzasni+gerna+cenba+vreji)

I don't see anything about "gije" on that page= but it could very well be that that construct being legal and having the s= ame meaning as "gi'e" is just a bi-product of one of the chan= ges listed. =A0Could someone go into a little detail on which of the change= s on that page makes "gije" behave like "gi'e"?

Also, in reading through that page it seems sad that &q= uot;sa" would just disappear. =A0Couldn't we just give it a meanin= g that's more specific? =A0My first thought is to redefine it to always= mean "erase everything back to the last '.i' ". =A0So ma= ny times I want to say "ok, I screwed up this entire sentence beyond h= ope... crap, su will kill the whole discourse but to use si I'm going t= o have to spend a few minutes figuring out how many words I've said.&qu= ot; Then I usually end up just making a whole new bridi to say "ignore= that last convoluted mess. What I meant to say was: ".

A second thought; what if we redefine sa to mean "= take the next word as a token and erase backwards until you find that token= ". =A0Thus "mi citka lo cmalu cifnu .y. .oicai sa citka cikygau l= o cmalu cifnu" results in the much more savory "mi cigygau lo cma= lu cifnu".

And finally, my last question. =A0Should I have put the= se questions/comments on the tiki page? =A0I haven't done much with tik= i/wiki so it'd be new to me but I do want to discuss this stuff in the = proper location.

ki'e mu'o mi'e la .cribe.

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