From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDp38DxBBoEmQaoxQ@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 27 08:34:15 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm67f-0001a9-NL; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:34:15 -0700 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4sf2529432gyg.16 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:34:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:message-id:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OPdV2rVyoSh4dVtCzJHjMNnhxQD5+2GtIEPB6md1meg=; b=tlgM5O0h07hTSWQUCOp5S6cQlMUc9PRuIfH0giL0C6sup02EENWPpXv7lyQdoiPUWp 9vENawFURLAvtkx5G5+IvPrdhZcWQeX4S64AEilnAiEUPIvd2Vxn9VkCXO9CevJkjCnF CO1zYIiizfyrIFIzfeDXfSaTU+c2ZhyHfWbp8= Received: by 10.90.42.17 with SMTP id p17mr41521agp.37.1311780841480; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:34:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.47.10 with SMTP id u10ls517750agu.1.gmail; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.79.73 with SMTP id h49mr69594yhe.89.1311780840012; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.79.73 with SMTP id h49mr69593yhe.89.1311780839967; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm1-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm1-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.27]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id t25si2584anp.1.2011.07.27.08.33.59; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.27 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.236.27; Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2011 15:33:59 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.107] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2011 15:33:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2011 15:33:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 651123.7584.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 63871 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2011 15:33:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gCC_91kVM1mySWZTp87h9vqAY2PNKk.sAMGRUxxd.sRDiZQ Ns43DGIwag.mP_PQq.jfP.Nxl0vLKTVwnFBxtHpSmIosDXi8RuwXAour2IoE CMPOGzur_R5X0gdo3ZFriKaIGkIc1PnYJPamzWHpP9tLoZ3B6W.XdXFqxj5Q 9uAqhmKEixkNI9Mh5hPkUFATRJMBdadix0EJweaucbqcnEBDKks.k0sRKpBQ rT_lMwgDMgD8tDa6fmOKAMN0.12odb6fR0vjFVVAPkVwwuS.R0GJHlLzKiPJ 8ZrAU5dP8gIbBHXrv3r3SbcxzPEiGySYeDcLU3nwt8DWRGI0tehhYoohmKDQ 3YaR9BlY7hV3aWT82kmJdaiHuC8Wp7wLdUbJKUeAV5vrpZ1b_9CSpiG_pG2. j2yb2cUoNOiDcW1xrPtB4lkRxcqPo2M9KlE2FEwZ9WDcV7o_SD7NLsNoJvHR gCZcTOCfkookZLHeKKfQlIFi4BNokoxugf5hQ5w-- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:33:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/572 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.310352 References: <201107191408.50207.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <1311780839.58357.YahooMailRC@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:33:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2120359642-1311780839=:58357" --0-2120359642-1311780839=:58357 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, presumably the answer -- at least the correct answer -- is a fact, ev= en=20 though it is only referred to, not spelled out (cf. the Battle of Waterloo = and=20 'nu'). ________________________________ From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 9:27:39 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities Of course, if you are outlining the steps of finding an answer, "pu'u" wo= uld=20 be more specific than "nu". Also, are you really discovering the answer or= just=20 looking for one? In that case, "sisku" might be better than "facki". Also,= =20 Pierre, formally speaking, the X2 of facki is a fact (du'u). Not 100% sure = "lo=20 danfu" belongs there, although I suppose it could be. --gejyspa =20 =20 On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: On Tuesday 19 July 2011 13:54:29 Ian Johnson wrote: >> But, I can give some of these: >> lo nu na facki fi le danfu >> An event of not finding [an answer to] the question. This says nothing >> about whether any finding of anything else happens. >> lo nu facki fi na'e le danfu >> An event of finding [an answer to] something other than the question >> This asserts that finding does happen, but that it does *not* involve th= e >> question >> lo nu na facki fi da >> This asserts that no finding happens (assuming {da} isn't already bound = in >> some fashion). > >I would say "(nu) facki lo danfu". mi facki le danfu le preti =3D I find t= he >answer to the question. > >In general, I think that titles (of sections, books, etc.) should be brivl= a or >selbri ("preti" and "nu preti" are both selbri). Of course, some titles ar= e >proper nouns, and should be rendered as sumti. > >By the way, it's "reirbroda". "reibroda" falls apart. You could also >say "comrei", "reidza", and a few others. > >Pierre >-- >La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. >Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. > >-- >=20 >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at=20 >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at=20 http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Well, presumably the answer -- at least the correct answer -- = is a fact, even though it is only referred to, not spelled out (cf. the Bat= tle of Waterloo and 'nu').



From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
= Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 9= :27:39 AM
Subject: Re: = [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities

  Of course, if you are outlining the steps of f= inding an answer, "pu'u" would be more specific than "nu".  Also, are = you really discovering the answer or just looking for one?  In that ca= se, "sisku" might be better than "facki". Also, Pierre, formally speaking, = the X2 of facki is a fact (du'u). Not 100% sure "lo danfu" belongs there, a= lthough I suppose it could be.
          --gejyspa
 
 

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