Aside from this point, I am having trouble with this thread.&n= bsp; Its title refers to syntactic constructions of some sort, which do not= appear to apply to Lojban. So, I assume that it actually refers to s= ome semantic functions that the constructions are used to perform. Th= is is, taken translinguistically, an enormous list, so presumably the focus= is on some (unspecified?) subset of these, apparently usually the abstract= sumti. There are lots of interested un- or only partially- answered questi= ons about these, but none of these has appeared so far.

What this se= ems to have settled down to is a very different sort of thing (which happen= s a lot with subject titles in Lojbanery), a Freshmanic attempt at profundi= ty, starting, as usual, with a confusion of several very distinct notions, in this case, questioning, question, and quest. Skipping ov= er the argle-bargle, a question is primarily a linguistic form whose functi= on, when normally used, is to elicit an item of information, the (correct) = answer. Questioning is an activity of formulating, at least, but usua= lly also asking, question either to people or about some topic.Answers, whe= n they come, are then to be used to formulate a position. A quest is = a process of self-fulfillment as understood by the quester (it may be findi= ng a thing or a certain state of mind or whatever). So we are now tal= king about a quest, whose goal is to know the meaning of life, in some sens= e: my purpose in the world, the reason why things are the way they are, or = countless other (none mentioned so far). Questing typically involves = a number of emotions, though none is particularly relevant to it and the sa= me goes for questioning. In short, what has any of this to do with Lojban (which is presumably designed to avoid this sort of thing alto= gether, though can never succeed with human speakers)?

From: Ross Ogilvie <oges007@gmail.= com>
To: lojban@goog= legroups.com
Sent: Thu,= July 28, 2011 6:34:26 AM
Subject:= Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities
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There is a member of NU that already does what you suggest below,= namely su'u

mu'o mi'e ros

On Thu,= Jul 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:

ta'o

What exactly is an "event"? Are "asking the question" and "finding not
the answer" an "event"? Different jbopre might come up with different
NU:

lo nu preti
lo pu'u preti
lo du'u preti
lo ka preti
...

I would like to think of "nu" as a generic bridi subordinator, rather
than a so-called "abstractor" that extracts specifically the so-called
"event" element of something represented by a bridi. lo danfu, lo se
facki, lo se jinvi, lo se ckaji, etc., conventionally represented by a
non-"nu", could be as much of a nu.

being / to be a good parent
lo ka ce'u xamgu rirni
--> lo nu ce'u xamgu rirni

that you are a good parent
lo du'u do xamgu rirni
--> lo nu do xamgu rirni

Gerunds and infinitives, which may be said to be natlang ways of
creating a sumti out of a bridi subordination simultaneously, often
neither specify nor give a clue about the type of its "abstraction".
Also, such types in Lojban seem mostly inferable from the meaning /
definition of the selbri or other contexts. If you said "ko'a ckaji lo
nu ce'u xamgu rirni", using "nu" as a generic bridi subordinator
instead of "ka", I would still understand what the x2 is about,
insofar as I would know the relationship "ckaji" represents between x1
and x2.

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