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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_9501390_AHzHjkQAAPGGTjGUVw6vFH3R6yA Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:34:59 -0400 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.91.166 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I meant the metaphysical argle bargle, not emotions, are to be eliminated. = Since my last sentence was, strictly speaking, a question, you can't disag= ree with it (logically). Spock is an interesting character, but hardly a = person to emulate in ordinary life (though the occasional urge to merge hel= ps a bit). Sorry if my pronoun was misleading. Sent from my iPad On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:54, Remo Dentato wrote: > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:27 PM, John E Clifford w= rote: >> Questing typically involves a number of emotions, though >> none is particularly relevant to it and the same goes for questioning. = In >> short, what has any of this to do with Lojban (which is presumably desig= ned >> to avoid this sort of thing altogether, though can never succeed with hu= man >> speakers)? >=20 > I strongly disagree with your last sentence. You're free to presume > whatever you want about Lojban but the mere existence of the > emotionals in Lojban speaks against your presumption. >=20 > If you're looking for a way to eliminate emotions and will find > suitable to use Lojban for it, I'm very happy for you. Lojban is so > powerful it can be surely used this way. >=20 > Saying that one of the design principle of Lojban was to eliminate > emotions from communications is false or, at very least, extremely > misleading. >=20 > remod >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.