From lojban+bncCMGclZyxExCxx8nxBBoE-0O2JQ@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 29 00:39:42 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QmhfY-0005m6-2b; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:39:42 -0700 Received: by vxg38 with SMTP id 38sf1737937vxg.16 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:39:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eaYQnKnfuPTM8ijS10NtWUj07r3/n/1DFgqlhjnA7K8=; b=fKM27nb9JzgHH8iA8/oDAqaTxOgtpRj9aU+yQrlK83zvb6uSqjwjAdFj9uTBMNPk72 njPVuUhH4M13EfZfyPoB7f5deCkXKjZbaCsGD4lj59cBcfRbFaUXhO9i0AXcl+BoTinH PilJ3OalnLU3l6EhFwI3Fkm3ggALmwuzmzMS0= Received: by 10.220.169.193 with SMTP id a1mr188857vcz.37.1311925169742; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:39:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.1.194 with SMTP id 2ls1347164vcg.3.gmail; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.19.230 with SMTP id i6mr210484vde.22.1311925168815; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.19.230 with SMTP id i6mr210482vde.22.1311925168806; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f179.google.com ([209.85.220.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bv16si2247315vdc.1.2011.07.29.00.39.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.179; Received: by vxi32 with SMTP id 32so2703170vxi.10 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:39:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.92.142 with SMTP id cm14mr942440vdb.397.1311925168696; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.186.231 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:39:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1311886424.23009.YahooMailRC@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <201107191408.50207.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1311780839.58357.YahooMailRC@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1311870454.18589.YahooMailRC@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1311886424.23009.YahooMailRC@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:39:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, the continuum-based semantics is a part of some linguistics systems, e.g. Culioli's semantics, but I won't argue about this now. The point is that an intrication of two notions *should* be a notion of its own. Write it A+B if something is both A and B, as in multiple object-oriented-programming inheritance... The Question (with big Q) is both a quest and the specific questions that embody this specific quest : I admit this is to some point non-logical, or, as you say, argle-bargle, but philosophy is full of such argle-bargle, and it benefits it... The Question is somewhat like the Dao. Do you know the Dao ? I guess you do. Dao is a word that means "Way", and that suggests a Principle, or a Cause, or an Order, or a Law, or Means. So, by this same OOP-multiple inheritance scheme, Dao is the "sum" of all of these notions. If you were right, a good lojbanist should use a dozen of lojban words tied together to say "Dao", or perhaps, as I guess, he should create a special new word to convey the special meaning of it. That's the same question with the Question (no pun intended). Either it is just argle-bargle, and we replace the word "Question" by either "quest" or "question" or "questioning" in the opus (but then, we miss the philosophic point which is to convey the idea that all three things amount to the same existentialist process), either this is *no* argle-bargle (that is, we admit a notion can cross several other notions and mix them together), and we need to say "the quest+question+questioning" each time we want to translate the words "the Question"... or perhaps, we just say "the shmurf", assuming shmurf is the neologism created to term "Question". -- .esk -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.