From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBDE_s_xBBoE-SHoDw@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 30 05:55:46 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qn94x-00051x-6Z; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:55:46 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf2344115vws.16 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:55:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ovb+XWy4js3dtlsvrj3nc8fVKOtN/5wn7oX3emDxmvY=; b=YupRJFd6PcdtD9Sd45+bQjEPiUNhuRJt6tL4MiG1GdCxhgY//tdHVTAKvMzY1YOBA0 My7TjbJAoSi8W0QdihPVRNA4L6YlG0J2u/HZa+vYTY+6eZhNNrdCDCNe7rv1GJrR4KYc 5bOB+EcSsMs4X7aMOGryfg/wBPy5ukENUk8bs= Received: by 10.220.2.1 with SMTP id 1mr416257vch.54.1312030532967; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:55:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.75.161 with SMTP id d1ls2987256vdw.3.gmail; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.76.132 with SMTP id k4mr504892vdw.38.1312030531734; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.76.132 with SMTP id k4mr504891vdw.38.1312030531724; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com (mail-qw0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v13si3885067vdf.3.2011.07.30.05.55.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.41; Received: by qwa26 with SMTP id 26so2783642qwa.28 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.119.151 with SMTP id z23mr1831232qcq.2.1312030531448; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.28.130 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201107191408.50207.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1311780839.58357.YahooMailRC@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:55:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 28 July 2011 12:34, Ross Ogilvie wrote: > There is a member of NU that already does what you suggest below, namely > su'u What I suggest is that there be a NU for the purely syntactic purpose of subordinating a bridi and not to additionally 'abstract' some semantic element out of that bridi. "su'u" is still such an 'abstractor' as far as the official definition goes; it's not a truly generic bridi subordinator, since a specific type of its 'abstraction' is always implied by the x2. Either "su'u" or "nu" could be made truly generic. I would prefer "nu", for similar reasons that one might wish to have "joi" and not "ju'e" or "jo'u" as the generic connective. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.