From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBCjitDxBBoEEGu9hw@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 30 06:20:48 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qn9TC-0007xT-0i; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 06:20:48 -0700 Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31sf4762341qyk.16 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 06:20:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=S1Ezk269Wp9X5qlOlOJRgdt+qaSQBgA/OMD76yTIonk=; b=CZfGflV8Hj/lb2FPrIucwGo/pIv9lR5sItYIXEAriX9Ulyka74sg84vEwqSkRmKH9C yD4K4dABXgsNeSogymBf41t7+n76pS+NEVU5y6dZZIBRS8a+ZWx88FGjYh3W2/xsM5Ia cyeb/706cDxsw9Nza7fdpfzD+47X2FkoN4D6U= Received: by 10.224.203.7 with SMTP id fg7mr348552qab.18.1312032035833; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.201.202 with SMTP id fb10ls9148503qab.2.gmail; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.200.195 with SMTP id ex3mr2067699qab.15.1312032035295; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.200.195 with SMTP id ex3mr2067698qab.15.1312032035280; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f170.google.com (mail-qy0-f170.google.com [209.85.216.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m27si590123qcz.2.2011.07.30.06.20.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 30 Jul 2011 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.170; Received: by mail-qy0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so278122qyg.15 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.7.212 with SMTP id e20mr1794735qce.192.1312032035171; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.28.130 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 06:20:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201107191408.50207.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1311780839.58357.YahooMailRC@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1311870454.18589.YahooMailRC@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1311886768.32022.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:20:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 28 July 2011 22:09, Luke Bergen wrote: > Yeah, I still struggle with when to use lifri and when to use jmive jmive1 is the whole of a self-sustaining (neg-entropic) system that is commonly known as "life", whereas lifri1 is a patient of any event or state that need not pertain to "life". A rock can lifri a heat but doesn't by itself jmive; a dog can lifri a heat and does by itself jmive as well. Note that lifri doesn't entail ganse; lifri1 can be sentient or non-sentient. I consider lifri1 as the theoretical x2 of "fasnu": ko'e lifri ko'a <-- ko'a fasnu ko'e kohe experiences koha <-- koha happens to kohe lo tcadu cu lifri lo betri <-- lo betri cu fasnu lo tcadu the city experienced a tragedy <-- a tragedy happened to the city -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.