From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRCejcTwBBoEkldBHg@googlegroups.com Sun Jul 03 17:17:48 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QdWrC-0005Pe-DO; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:17:48 -0700 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf8930186wwf.16 for ; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:17:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vJUx/pSlO+/nsOnBYclD5nbpIXy9VL8ZldQ9hx1iqHU=; b=HG0VDjrCojfMhoOXKpZnmQEIcOqWvGxN37DqQIn6JGuNk9mBEg8jFQmP87WmRJ0DcT sseX0vOl3iuwUPfZ4g7UHeu3pgiPh/3DguzcXjjheWO5vExDwDvwm7rlGHYGtg7JHeJ4 QvqvzK9tM13Lk3Nn0n2S3uZ/t4oK1si0gHolk= Received: by 10.216.39.134 with SMTP id d6mr380707web.0.1309738654428; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:17:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.106.37 with SMTP id v37ls2422291wbo.1.gmail; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.202.11 with SMTP id fc11mr346304wbb.12.1309738652426; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.202.11 with SMTP id fc11mr346303wbb.12.1309738652398; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f42.google.com (mail-fx0-f42.google.com [209.85.161.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23si5907215wbp.2.2011.07.03.17.17.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.42; Received: by fxe23 with SMTP id 23so4058710fxe.1 for ; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.1.201 with SMTP id 9mr8598997fag.91.1309738651083; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:17:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.86.10 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 17:17:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 20:17:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Is it a lie? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a4610be33204a7334bf1 --20cf3054a4610be33204a7334bf1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is why I get irritated when people blithely announce that they lied, when in fact all they did was err. I don't trust liars, but making mistakes doesn't make someone a bad person. stevo On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Haha, too true. But a lie can't be a tease? > > In an effort to "show you all" I googled the definition > http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie > Mea culpa > Intention to deceive IS important. > > So I guess the hypothetical little bugger (I don't actually have any kids) > did lie. Reading further it looks like this sort of deception falls under > the category of "lie by ommision". On the other hand what I do to my wife > is a "jocose lie". > > That was one of the more informative/interesting wiki stumbles. > What the hell was wrong with St Augustine though?! A lie that harms no-one > and saves someone is "more severe" than a lie that harms no-one and /helps/ > someone?! I must be misunderstanding his classification scheme > On Jul 2, 2011 1:44 PM, "Krzysztof Sobolewski" > wrote: > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf3054a4610be33204a7334bf1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is why I get irritated when people blithely announce that they li= ed, when in fact all they did was err. I don't trust liars, but making = mistakes doesn't make someone a bad person.
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stevo

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmai= l.com> wrote:

Haha, too true.=A0 But a lie can't be a tease?

In an effort to "show you all" I googled the definition
http://en.m.w= ikipedia.org/wiki/Lie
Mea culpa
Intention to deceive IS important= .

So I guess the hypothetical little bugger (I don't actually have any= kids) did lie.=A0 Reading further it looks like this sort of deception fal= ls under the category of "lie by ommision".=A0 On the other hand = what I do to my wife is a "jocose lie".

That was one of the more=A0 informative/interesting wiki stumbles.
Wh= at the hell was wrong with St Augustine though?!=A0 A lie that harms no-one= and saves someone is "more severe" than a lie that harms no-one = and /helps/ someone?!=A0 I must be misunderstanding his classification sche= me

On Jul 2, 2011 1:44 PM, "Krzysztof Sobolews= ki" <jezuch@= interia.pl> wrote:

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