From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDl3cXwBBoE8gTZtw@googlegroups.com Mon Jul 04 00:42:44 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qddnj-0007J1-Up; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:42:44 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf6330533qwh.16 for ; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:42:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version :message-id:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=H7I1AzpLfBS9gizX+ts6N7dwqzEvuVoyXac4uicmUXg=; b=GJRHnor4qQcYyV5Lg6u6FMj/0kZW4JQLxXVpZ7m9OePV/92NBHWXiqCEeSjPNd3Mlh ljrSFpMRAD985lRsBaIQt6ajF4hCIytU1u7wubAfVwxv+gnRZK8tsdHujYUjdXkuXFpH JSvQvro+JMTWoSsRDtVgNWbVjMvjW9lLDU5dY= Received: by 10.229.43.152 with SMTP id w24mr603079qce.16.1309765349097; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.181.131 with SMTP id by3ls1298662qab.3.gmail; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.215.9 with SMTP id hc9mr6320571qab.8.1309765348019; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.215.9 with SMTP id hc9mr6320570qab.8.1309765347980; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k32si5709919qcs.1.2011.07.04.00.42.26; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SOlsIBN44tkg4MqIq+y2aLZdhoA3kHpmiRsLue6rfnM= c=1 sm=0 a=rK9vAiSam2oA:10 a=K1GYaWyu44AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=Mw-5nosNs-Ga3Em4Rg8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:45657] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 38/89-15242-1EE611E4; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 07:42:26 +0000 Received: from dell-inspiron-1000.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56E9317943 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 03:42:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] Writing the accent instead of the capital letter Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 03:42:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.35-30-generic; KDE/4.5.5; i686; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201107040342.20416.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been thinking about writing the stress with an accent instead of a=20 capital letter. The accent need be written only on cmevla. I suggest these= =20 rules, which aren't complete: *Syllabic consonants are ignored for counting. *:m=EDklson *The stress is by default placed on a certain syllable, counted as if=20 diphthongs were pronounced as one syllable even if written otherwise, and o= n a=20 certain vowel in that syllable. *A syllable is counted if it contains a vowel other than "y". A syllable wh= ich=20 contains "y" and no other vowel is skipped under conditions which aren't=20 exactly clear yet. *:sautuesrydyfytyn: not clear which syllable gets the stress *:lylun: the "u" is by default stressed *:m=E1lybar *:uili=FDmben *A string of vowels is broken into syllables starting from the right. The stressed vowel of a diphthong is like this: =E1u, =E1i, =E9i, =F3i, u=E1, u=E9, u=ED, u=F3, u=FA, i=E1, i=E9, i=ED, i=F3, i=FA, i=FD, u=FD. The stressed vowel of a triphthong, if there is any, is the middle vowel. This is loosely based on the system used in Spanish, which I don't fully kn= ow.=20 There are (AFAIK) four third-person singular past tense forms of verbs=20 consisting of one consonant followed by "io": dio, fio, rio, vio. Of these,= =20 "dio" and "vio" are one syllable and "fio" and "rio" are two, accented on "= o"=20 (this takes some explanation, particularly for "rio", and is irrelevant). T= he=20 first-person singular present forms of these verbs are "f=EDo" and "r=EDo" = (the=20 latter is also a noun meaning "river"). Since the default stressed vowel of= =20 "io" is "o", it has to be written on "f=EDo" and "r=EDo". Pierre --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.