From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEMC0zvAEGgTypVP1@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 05 16:12:13 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QeEmp-0005p3-1S; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:12:12 -0700 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4sf2952739pzk.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:12:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dgss5IyZJ50YvNrAIM/+7/37mZvtbzOx0L19qazXgWo=; b=NBgvVV1+PzW9M0My7RZrhT3ooe4PoMUhJlem5OV+IeLtjUbU8EQB9U2Xl+zBw8SlS1 eiH6XVwqOg8HGB7M+N4J1dNESgMCS5h60Zy68glawmjR3h9lb5CZ4ZTk1TflO8pnxFFH 1aBcRZL9Ponxf1uu4UQKniv5KjVONqkUpb5o4= Received: by 10.68.8.136 with SMTP id r8mr188547pba.69.1309907520172; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:12:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.16.199 with SMTP id i7ls6181988pbd.3.gmail; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.0.167 with SMTP id 7mr1756414pbf.23.1309907519484; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.0.167 with SMTP id 7mr1756413pbf.23.1309907519473; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si15533548pbn.1.2011.07.05.16.11.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QeEmc-0005oX-2M for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:11:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:11:58 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] sivni jikca Message-ID: <20110705231158.GZ8547@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110705170131.GN8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110705222333.GV8547@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 07:54:44PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > > > ta'o stidi lu ve cu'u li'u .i mi pu ze'a cando gi'e ku'i ka'e > > cusku fo la .mumbl. .i ku'i .u'u mi sisti .i mi troji jai > > krefu[1] > > > > -Robin > > > > [1]: Being able to do "again" as a tense is Very Much on the > > CLLv2.0 or 2.1 list; does this seem like a reasonable shorthand? >=20 > "za'u [pa] re'u" =3D "not for the first time" =3D "again". No, that's "for the more than oneth time"; it applies to *every* time except the first. I want "nexth" not "greater than oneth". The second time is {za'u re'u}, but so is the thousandth; it needs to be relative to whatever the current counter is, and we don't have a "current number" in PA. > lo nu za'u re'u broda =3D lo krefu be lo nu broda bei li za'u .ie .i ku'i mi djica le balvi lamji krefu po'o .e nai ro krefu be fi le za'u -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.