From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCHx87wBBoED0XfQg@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 05 16:51:51 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QeFP9-0007bk-9M; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:51:50 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf12547321wyh.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:51:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pu4O1/JKL11+b39hRfh8HvnE6QK7bttDYzcgj72eUWs=; b=2iPbIZ0eRt56PReD2XswUVVOpdDwkTEhzhKy0xYg/387n31Njh0Pd9aIlsy7xAgiS9 ymQ80sxD97x82Bxaeu/lVQKHGnhl9Cvsm+OT+Ye5GV6TR94TxHt21raE694tUc3RrHpt yUkzXS64hTKkwMZxDS0HSeHgBXIPiYDgrVBS8= Received: by 10.216.231.83 with SMTP id k61mr1947504weq.18.1309909895622; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:51:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.235.213 with SMTP id u63ls2682305weq.0.gmail; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.167.132 with SMTP id i4mr460172wel.8.1309909894402; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.167.132 with SMTP id i4mr460171wel.8.1309909894379; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f174.google.com (mail-wy0-f174.google.com [74.125.82.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fk17si2012941wbb.1.2011.07.05.16.51.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.174; Received: by wyg8 with SMTP id 8so4330077wyg.19 for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:51:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.235.95 with SMTP id t73mr6729272weq.10.1309909892943; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:51:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110705234625.GC8547@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110705170131.GN8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110705222333.GV8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110705231158.GZ8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110705234625.GC8547@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 19:51:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] sivni jikca From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015176f1a64db4fb204a75b2929 --0015176f1a64db4fb204a75b2929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And as always, we come back to the jbodau ;p In fairness, selkik, you did send this to the regular list and not to xedbi= g On Jul 5, 2011 7:46 PM, "Robin Lee Powell" wrote: > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 08:36:47PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> wrote: >> > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 07:54:44PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> >> >> >> "za'u [pa] re'u" =3D "not for the first time" =3D "again". >> > >> > No, that's "for the more than oneth time"; it applies to *every* >> > time except the first. >> >> Just like "again". >> >> I tried on Monday, then again on Tuesday, and yet again on >> Wednesday. > > That's in the past; I'm not talking about that case at all. When > referring to future incidents, "again" strictly refers to the next > instance; see below. At least in my dialect. > >> > I want "nexth" not "greater than oneth". >> >> "next-th" seems to put an additional focus on the preceding time, >> rather than just saying that the time in question is a repetition, >> not the original one. > > Yes, exactly; I want "I'm going to try rebooting the computer > again". That only refers to the immediately-next time I reboot it, > not the time after that, or the time after that. I mean, yes, of > course I'm going to reboot the computer many times over its life, > but I'm only talking about the immediately next instance. > > {ba za'u re'u} encodes some of this, but not enough for my taste; I > wish to specifically talk about the next, adjacent repitition; if > that's not "again", fine; I still want it. > >> >> lo nu za'u re'u broda =3D lo krefu be lo nu broda bei li za'u >> > >> > .ie .i ku'i mi djica le balvi lamji krefu po'o .e nai ro krefu >> > be fi le za'u >> >> "za'u re'u" only says that the time in question is not the first >> one. It is a single time, one other than the first one. > > *ponder* > > Yes, you're right; sorry about that. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0015176f1a64db4fb204a75b2929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And as always, we come back to the jbodau ;p

In fairness, selkik, you did send this to the regular list and not to xe= dbig

On Jul 5, 2011 7:46 PM, "Robin Lee Powell&q= uot; <rlpowell@digitalkin= gdom.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 a= t 08:36:47PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Robin Lee Powell
>> <<= a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 07:54:44PM -0300, Jo= rge Llamb=EDas wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "za'u [pa] re'u" = =3D "not for the first time" =3D "again".
>> &= gt;
>> > No, that's "for the more than oneth time"= ;; it applies to *every*
>> > time except the first.
>>
>> Just like &qu= ot;again".
>>
>> I tried on Monday, then again on T= uesday, and yet again on
>> Wednesday.
>
> That's= in the past; I'm not talking about that case at all. When
> referring to future incidents, "again" strictly refers to th= e next
> instance; see below. At least in my dialect.
>
&g= t;> > I want "nexth" not "greater than oneth". >>
>> "next-th" seems to put an additional focus = on the preceding time,
>> rather than just saying that the time in= question is a repetition,
>> not the original one.
>
> Yes, exactly; I want "I'm going to try rebooting the computer=
> again". That only refers to the immediately-next time I rebo= ot it,
> not the time after that, or the time after that. I mean, ye= s, of
> course I'm going to reboot the computer many times over its life,<= br>> but I'm only talking about the immediately next instance.
&g= t;
> {ba za'u re'u} encodes some of this, but not enough for= my taste; I
> wish to specifically talk about the next, adjacent repitition; if
&= gt; that's not "again", fine; I still want it.
>
&g= t;> >> lo nu za'u re'u broda =3D lo krefu be lo nu broda b= ei li za'u
>> >
>> > .ie .i ku'i mi djica le balvi lamji kref= u po'o .e nai ro krefu
>> > be fi le za'u
>> <= br>>> "za'u re'u" only says that the time in questi= on is not the first
>> one. It is a single time, one other than the first one.
> <= br>> *ponder*
>
> Yes, you're right; sorry about that.<= br>>
> -Robin
>
> --
> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic = future.
> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/)= : The language in which "this parrot
> is dead" is "ti= poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false"
>= is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
>
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