From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCU087wBBoEHmTXnw@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 05 17:17:38 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QeFo8-0005Nx-Ce; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:17:38 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf12561892wyh.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:17:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7XLYDgavN+dGPd8mUwREeqmgKcVG6CZGC2TcjclVYwY=; b=NKSgMdjluOW+5/8bkOVmcJSHP7XAlRNTom0s7Te3Pwq7Szq6tWUJ9cA1C4cNsXRsgX GfwbiWb4biLe2wVYfyuG7PECMNwL+cZepHXWQEGeIrU0FNM/Gm794r/dRN8ClxU6YjyN VXAOWxw3bP9aPfWwUyHfrtg5JWu7eYi82f36A= Received: by 10.216.60.75 with SMTP id t53mr2141455wec.5.1309911444618; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:17:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.106.37 with SMTP id v37ls3354655wbo.1.gmail; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.10.143 with SMTP id p15mr579885wbp.7.1309911443673; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.10.143 with SMTP id p15mr579884wbp.7.1309911443644; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23si8087322wbp.2.2011.07.05.17.17.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so5546120wyi.2 for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:17:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.235.95 with SMTP id t73mr6744540weq.10.1309911441880; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:17:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110705170131.GN8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110705222333.GV8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110705231158.GZ8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110705234625.GC8547@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 20:17:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] sivni jikca From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015176f1a642e35cd04a75b8602 --0015176f1a642e35cd04a75b8602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And to be even more fair, it /was/ an interesting discussion. no'i ma djica lo nu bazi jbobacru vecu'u la skaip .a la mumbl .a la timspik .a so'i drata On Jul 5, 2011 7:51 PM, "Luke Bergen" wrote: > And as always, we come back to the jbodau ;p > > In fairness, selkik, you did send this to the regular list and not to xedbig > On Jul 5, 2011 7:46 PM, "Robin Lee Powell" > wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 08:36:47PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Robin Lee Powell >>> wrote: >>> > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 07:54:44PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >>> >> >>> >> "za'u [pa] re'u" =3D "not for the first time" =3D "again". >>> > >>> > No, that's "for the more than oneth time"; it applies to *every* >>> > time except the first. >>> >>> Just like "again". >>> >>> I tried on Monday, then again on Tuesday, and yet again on >>> Wednesday. >> >> That's in the past; I'm not talking about that case at all. When >> referring to future incidents, "again" strictly refers to the next >> instance; see below. At least in my dialect. >> >>> > I want "nexth" not "greater than oneth". >>> >>> "next-th" seems to put an additional focus on the preceding time, >>> rather than just saying that the time in question is a repetition, >>> not the original one. >> >> Yes, exactly; I want "I'm going to try rebooting the computer >> again". That only refers to the immediately-next time I reboot it, >> not the time after that, or the time after that. I mean, yes, of >> course I'm going to reboot the computer many times over its life, >> but I'm only talking about the immediately next instance. >> >> {ba za'u re'u} encodes some of this, but not enough for my taste; I >> wish to specifically talk about the next, adjacent repitition; if >> that's not "again", fine; I still want it. >> >>> >> lo nu za'u re'u broda =3D lo krefu be lo nu broda bei li za'u >>> > >>> > .ie .i ku'i mi djica le balvi lamji krefu po'o .e nai ro krefu >>> > be fi le za'u >>> >>> "za'u re'u" only says that the time in question is not the first >>> one. It is a single time, one other than the first one. >> >> *ponder* >> >> Yes, you're right; sorry about that. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot >> is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" >> is "na nei". 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And to be even more fair, it /was/ an interesting discussion.

no'i ma djica lo nu bazi jbobacru vecu'u la skaip .a la mumbl .a= la timspik .a so'i drata

On Jul 5, 2011 7:51 PM, "Luke Bergen" = <lukeabergen@gmail.com> = wrote:
> And as always, we come back to the jbod= au ;p
>
> In fairness, selkik, you did send this to the regular list an= d not to xedbig
> On Jul 5, 2011 7:46 PM, "Robin Lee Powell"= ; <rlpowell@digitalkingdo= m.org>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 08:36:47PM -0300, Jorge Lla= mb=EDas wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Robin Lee Po= well
>>> <rlp= owell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>>> > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 07:54:44PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDa= s wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> "za'u [= pa] re'u" =3D "not for the first time" =3D "again&q= uot;.
>>> >
>>> > No, that's "for the more th= an oneth time"; it applies to *every*
>>> > time except= the first.
>>>
>>> Just like "again". >>>
>>> I tried on Monday, then again on Tuesday, and = yet again on
>>> Wednesday.
>>
>> That's = in the past; I'm not talking about that case at all. When
>> r= eferring to future incidents, "again" strictly refers to the next=
>> instance; see below. At least in my dialect.
>>
>&g= t;> > I want "nexth" not "greater than oneth".>>>
>>> "next-th" seems to put an additiona= l focus on the preceding time,
>>> rather than just saying that the time in question is a repetit= ion,
>>> not the original one.
>>
>> Yes, exa= ctly; I want "I'm going to try rebooting the computer
>> = again". That only refers to the immediately-next time I reboot it,
>> not the time after that, or the time after that. I mean, yes, of>> course I'm going to reboot the computer many times over its = life,
>> but I'm only talking about the immediately next insta= nce.
>>
>> {ba za'u re'u} encodes some of this, but not e= nough for my taste; I
>> wish to specifically talk about the next,= adjacent repitition; if
>> that's not "again", fine= ; I still want it.
>>
>>> >> lo nu za'u re'u broda =3D lo kref= u be lo nu broda bei li za'u
>>> >
>>> > = .ie .i ku'i mi djica le balvi lamji krefu po'o .e nai ro krefu
>>> > be fi le za'u
>>>
>>> "z= a'u re'u" only says that the time in question is not the first=
>>> one. It is a single time, one other than the first one. >>
>> *ponder*
>>
>> Yes, you're right= ; sorry about that.
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>> = --
>> http://singinst.org/ : = Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
>> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/<= /a>): The language in which "this parrot
>> is dead" is = "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false"=
>> is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
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