From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARC9mtDwBBoEZXI3Kw@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 06 00:22:52 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QeMRc-0000t0-PL; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:22:52 -0700 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf13386187wwf.16 for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:22:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=K44yuABszLRzPHaqlZtU5RtzRkpjeHxnStET/bfk5oM=; b=SWict8cv8Qrej7jLuSlV2EQNploYAZpbhxgy6liwb8Z82Wx0GGWQ7wFNdb+QZfv52x ISv47Rmmu1YWm7xqOq4gtCAn1/4IYs166XKdmeQg0IF9aiYNCCUZrml617jXZCN2gnKs TjwaxrsjpdtUxEfzSbxe+9Rki3Er//1Fjzi0o= Received: by 10.216.229.196 with SMTP id h46mr2035460weq.16.1309936957119; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.14.220 with SMTP id d68ls495995eed.3.gmail; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.101.137 with SMTP id b9mr1014668eeg.29.1309936955772; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.101.137 with SMTP id b9mr1014667eeg.29.1309936955743; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f51.google.com (mail-fx0-f51.google.com [209.85.161.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m11si1574478fah.1.2011.07.06.00.22.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.51; Received: by mail-fx0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 10so7254217fxh.10 for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:22:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.116.139 with SMTP id m11mr12663642faq.56.1309936953415; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.97.7 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 00:22:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110705234625.GC8547@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110705170131.GN8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110705222333.GV8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110705231158.GZ8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110705234625.GC8547@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 03:22:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] sivni jikca From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5ab9dc956a304a76176dc --001636c5ab9dc956a304a76176dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {za'u zo'e ze'ei pa re'u} seems to be what you wanted, perhaps. Of course that solution is terrible, but that's really just because {zo'e ze'ei pa} isn't in PA already. mu'o mi'e latros On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 08:36:47PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Robin Lee Powell > > wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 07:54:44PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > >> > > >> "za'u [pa] re'u" =3D "not for the first time" =3D "again". > > > > > > No, that's "for the more than oneth time"; it applies to *every* > > > time except the first. > > > > Just like "again". > > > > I tried on Monday, then again on Tuesday, and yet again on > > Wednesday. > > That's in the past; I'm not talking about that case at all. When > referring to future incidents, "again" strictly refers to the next > instance; see below. At least in my dialect. > > > > I want "nexth" not "greater than oneth". > > > > "next-th" seems to put an additional focus on the preceding time, > > rather than just saying that the time in question is a repetition, > > not the original one. > > Yes, exactly; I want "I'm going to try rebooting the computer > again". That only refers to the immediately-next time I reboot it, > not the time after that, or the time after that. I mean, yes, of > course I'm going to reboot the computer many times over its life, > but I'm only talking about the immediately next instance. > > {ba za'u re'u} encodes some of this, but not enough for my taste; I > wish to specifically talk about the next, adjacent repitition; if > that's not "again", fine; I still want it. > > > >> lo nu za'u re'u broda =3D lo krefu be lo nu broda bei li za'u > > > > > > .ie .i ku'i mi djica le balvi lamji krefu po'o .e nai ro krefu > > > be fi le za'u > > > > "za'u re'u" only says that the time in question is not the first > > one. It is a single time, one other than the first one. > > *ponder* > > Yes, you're right; sorry about that. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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Of course that solution is terrible, but that's really just becaus= e {zo'e ze'ei pa} isn't in PA already.

mu'o mi'e= latros

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Robin Lee Po= well <r= lpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 08:36:47PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDa= s wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkin= gdom.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 07:54:44PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:=
> >>
> >> "za'u [pa] re'u" =3D "not for the firs= t time" =3D "again".
> >
> > No, that's "for the more than oneth time"; it appli= es to *every*
> > time except the first.
>
> Just like "again".
>
> I tried on Monday, then again on Tuesday, and yet again on
> Wednesday.

That's in the past; I'm not talking about that case at all. = =A0When
referring to future incidents, "again" strictly refers to the nex= t
instance; see below. =A0At least in my dialect.

> > I want "nexth" not "greater than oneth".
>
> "next-th" seems to put an additional focus on the preceding = time,
> rather than just saying that the time in question is a repetition,
> not the original one.

Yes, exactly; I want "I'm going to try rebooting the compute= r
again". =A0That only refers to the immediately-next time I reboot it,<= br> not the time after that, or the time after that. =A0I mean, yes, of
course I'm going to reboot the computer many times over its life,
but I'm only talking about the immediately next instance.

{ba za'u re'u} encodes some of this, but not enough for my taste; I=
wish to specifically talk about the next, adjacent repitition; if
that's not "again", fine; I still want it.

> >> lo nu za'u re'u broda =3D lo krefu be lo nu broda bei= li za'u
> >
> > .ie .i ku'i mi djica le balvi lamji krefu po'o .e nai ro = krefu
> > be fi le za'u
>
> "za'u re'u" only says that the time in question is n= ot the first
> one. It is a single time, one other than the first one.

*ponder*

Yes, you're right; sorry about that.

-Robin

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