From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRCepe3xBBoEXOFj8A@googlegroups.com Thu Aug 04 19:17:16 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp9yL-00023K-Uw; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:17:16 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf2564836fxd.16 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:17:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5t4ctVjs2Ui1dNBFftpzYAgUxpJa/4aq3pjlhgbvrnc=; b=1lWfNk6MIMfkTePRFp1aO9f3WkwOdQtcW/0eUAI+iHDDo92pYrOFqBwlckWGbxAPTe 8rq4q7iDuen8Rv3sYIfB+tHLZCTz1sowut87DKmNKn3/epm/lUUfNGSh1Gu5TQrKYoci CL7GcfGUN1bxtoL3xTa5CwqSWH9RADTCgNoUo= Received: by 10.223.144.74 with SMTP id y10mr225624fau.6.1312510622870; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:17:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.210 with SMTP id p18ls1456458bkw.3.gmail; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.128.135 with SMTP id k7mr179570bks.11.1312510621438; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.128.135 with SMTP id k7mr179569bks.11.1312510621414; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f48.google.com (mail-fx0-f48.google.com [209.85.161.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d14si1110298fac.3.2011.08.04.19.17.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.48; Received: by mail-fx0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 7so233568fxg.7 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.64.66 with SMTP id d2mr2058596fai.116.1312510621123; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:17:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.72.11 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 19:16:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 22:16:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Klingon proverbs in Lojban To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174764b456068404a9b8b1bb --0015174764b456068404a9b8b1bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, none of those is a replacement proverb. In Klingon circles, a 'replacement proverb' (qa'meH vIttlhegh) is uttered by a person immediately after he feels he has lost honor, e.g., by committing a gaff in public, and thus attempts to regain his honor. Examples from "Power Klingon", an audio cassette by Marc Okrand, include: DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' ghu' Set fire on the side when there is danger. reH Suvrup SuvwI''a' A great warrior is always prepared. Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu' Only fools laugh while warriors die. HIvqa' veqlargh The Fek'lhr strikes again. The replacement proverbs are basically interchangeable; any one can be used on any occasion when it is felt necessary. The literal meanings are also completely irrelevant. Replacement proverbs are similar to apologies in other cultures. stevo (aka lay'tel SIvten) On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > hmm, I assume that by "Klingong replacement proverbs" you mean (for > example) some of the entires here: > http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Klingon_proverbs > > lo ba'e bajra nanmu cu kakne lo nu ka'argau lo voki'o galxe ze'i lo pa > nicte > > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:18 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> Just a thought. >> Translate Klingon replacement proverbs into Lojban. >> >> Curiouser and curiouser. >> >> stevo >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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No, none of those is a replacement proverb.
In Klingon circles, a 'replacement proverb' (qa'meH vIttlh= egh) is uttered by a person immediately after he feels he has lost honor, e= .g., by committing a gaff in public, and thus attempts to regain his honor.=
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Examples from "Power Klingon", an audio cassette by Marc Okr= and, include:
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DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' g= hu'
Set fire on the side when there i= s danger.
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reH Suvrup SuvwI''a' =
A great warrior is always prepare= d.
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Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS Su= vwI'pu'
Only fools laugh while warriors d= ie.

HIvqa' veqlargh
= The Fek'lhr strikes again.
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The replacement proverbs are basically interchangeable; any one can be= used on any occasion when it is felt necessary. The literal meanings are a= lso completely irrelevant. Replacement proverbs are similar to apologies in= other cultures.
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stevo
(aka lay'tel SIvten)

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmai= l.com> wrote:
hmm, I assume that by "Klin= gong replacement proverbs" you mean (for example) some of the entires = here:=A0http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Klingon_proverbs=20

lo ba'e bajra nanmu cu kakne lo nu ka'argau lo voki'o galx= e=A0ze'i lo pa nicte


On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:18 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw= @gmail.com> wrote:
Just a thought.
Translate Klingon replacement proverbs into Lojban.
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Curiouser and curiouser.
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stevo

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