From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCN1qvyBBoEN-tIZA@googlegroups.com Tue Aug 16 15:11:38 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QtRrD-0003Yx-KZ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:11:37 -0700 Received: by vxh2 with SMTP id 2sf602553vxh.16 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:11:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=zpqqkDfyNddK+CIIs0jOspz8t41TMjGBd80rpfBXOcM=; b=twLvoBiiPwAygIX7Mt+z6Eymb5ha3YPruvJcYPxgEPOuRw2D9O1tPJMhgzyWnsazgC gmLI7VQuUsdh0dgf6ioyvKlKnqGhmmGHjRj+/OBD53CMjmS4X7oa3Ykg/NLSmd6RxGA8 KUzUiHXuQZHxq1AiD/0GR0tfRXMzHHGs+zErc= Received: by 10.220.154.148 with SMTP id o20mr131352vcw.7.1313532685179; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:11:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.24.163 with SMTP id v3ls534788vdf.3.gmail; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.94.39 with SMTP id cz7mr259340vdb.33.1313532684440; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.94.39 with SMTP id cz7mr259339vdb.33.1313532684433; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f51.google.com (mail-qw0-f51.google.com [209.85.216.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2si1174229vdv.0.2011.08.16.15.11.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.51; Received: by mail-qw0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 7so260982qwf.10 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:11:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.77.98 with SMTP id r2mr248617vdw.433.1313532684237; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.101.170 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:11:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110706231714.GW8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110707053420.GA8547@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:11:24 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] da broda, ko'a broda, da bu'a, zo'e co'e From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:21 AM, tijlan wrote: > Suppose there is a context where I have not specified "da" and "ko'a". > Under what additional condition should I have "da poi ..." and not > "ko'a poi ..." in order to create a re-usable variable for a specific > referent? You should use "ko'a goi" for that. Neither "[su'o] da poi" nor "ko'a poi" will do what you want. If you need a selbri to identify the referent of "ko'a" you could also use "ko'a noi". "da" can't really be used to refer to anything. > What is it that "da" can achieve but "ko'a" cannot, besides > that unbound "da" is meaningless? "da" is a slot marker for a quantifier. The quantifier that binds it tells you how many things from the domain will satisfy some predicate when they fill the slot (or slots) marked by "da". mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.