From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhDikK3yBBoEJQEPqw@googlegroups.com Tue Aug 16 21:49:51 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QtY4b-0002So-3H; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:49:51 -0700 Received: by yxk8 with SMTP id 8sf929624yxk.16 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:49:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=quVvhndxW0BDUcnhqoW8c8a/1dleIp5ZCD9h65/apGU=; b=Y0ugE6n5yqpzsh53n4e4gwdEZAxMd+/VPJ3TwlO+AZwb84GLHRBqOd2c2z4M2+Tupg irecVAVMJGTT2RRDeyLKgWYzPW8QrCb1LlHsc5+lArnsKxJbGnGIz7RrQ5eOLefC5+7I YDV+gxFqoWMoR98kRXMaFxvBuzywrb+UGghQg= Received: by 10.100.20.13 with SMTP id 13mr100313ant.19.1313556578766; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:49:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.164.21 with SMTP id r21ls1837276ano.1.gmail; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.198.27 with SMTP id a27mr528859anq.12.1313556577352; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.198.27 with SMTP id a27mr528858anq.12.1313556577336; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f43.google.com (mail-pz0-f43.google.com [209.85.210.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kr11si2171750pbb.1.2011.08.16.21.49.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.43; Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so569166pzk.30 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.141.18 with SMTP id o18mr267656wfd.303.1313556576122; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:49:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.78.5 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:49:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <17f5d582-ffcb-4959-a779-1dc8f65dc272@en1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <201108160910.48825.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:49:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Far away To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:25 AM, .arpis. wrote: > > I further seem to recall that {vu} specifying the origin > is no longer the case. Sadly it seems to have recently been the case half the time. :( Which is to say that we have had an unresolved dispute here. I think I'd learned both ideas and they'd just harmlessly crossed in my mind, since my natlangy brain is happy to disambiguate with the fact that one idea always tags an event or place and the other always tags a duration or distance. But that's not actually lobykai! So we'll have to choose. Today I thought of this idiom: {pu zi ca}. That construction can tag an event and definitely gives the same meaning as the origin tagging idea of how {pu zi} works-- right? And that way you can write {pu zi lo snidu ca lo fasnu noi clani sumti pluja ciksi nitcu}, instead of {pu lo fasnu noi clani sumti pluja ciksi nitcu ku'o zi lo snidu}, where you're forced to put the distance at the end, which often comes out silly. From now on I intend to use the new distance tagging understanding of ZI and VA, and I've rewritten my song {la cmalu rokci} so it says {vi bu'u lo rirxe korbi} instead of {vi lo rirxe korbi}. .i je .a'o la .lojban. zenba lo ka za'e plixaubau mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.