From lojban+bncCOTEtqyUDhDHq6_yBBoEYDDMiw@googlegroups.com Wed Aug 17 07:53:08 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QthUP-000699-HF; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:53:08 -0700 Received: by ywa6 with SMTP id 6sf1669364ywa.16 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:52:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-pgp-key :x-pgp-keyid:x-cunselcu'a-valsi:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=zdqL0l88k37jisILiZM7qfLjQbo5QQ4Ghgk8zP3WMow=; b=h0wK74i7dwysyCsIbaGqhFAS1pOCTgVgvIDTfjje/c/dbvkcckVfmAFSfuBULCOfuM RuDNyamjQduFx/3fOwY8ZBlORL17AvRACgEd9/5Pquent1/wTCiEpAVGAoJbAzPz8l0n 2S6cJ5bFFuKk8TB4mZpSh5qXWKqE3vtmCMQVc= Received: by 10.146.235.7 with SMTP id i7mr181915yah.26.1313592775110; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:52:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.250.3 with SMTP id x3ls3458339agh.2.gmail; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.165.39 with SMTP id d27mr2727150yhl.0.1313592772819; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.138.5 with SMTP id q5msybn; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.80.84 with SMTP id u20mr871569ick.8.1313581596388; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.80.84 with SMTP id u20mr871568ick.8.1313581596380; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4si2066621pbi.2.2011.08.17.04.46.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from gonzales.homelinux.org (root@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7HBkYkt015097 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:46:35 GMT Received: from martin by gonzales.homelinux.org with local (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1QteZu-000439-A3 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:46:34 +0200 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:46:34 +0200 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and masses Message-ID: <20110817114634.GE6674@gonzales> References: <1313511086.45473.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Epv4kl9IRBfg3rk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1313511086.45473.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: cokcu User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --4Epv4kl9IRBfg3rk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline * Tuesday, 2011-08-16 at 09:11 -0700 - John E Clifford : > [snip useful analysis] > > Now, can we get back to the issue, whatever it was? Or has it been > resolved by careful sorting out? My original question, which I'm afraid did develop into a tangled mess of confusion though I had specifically hoped it wouldn't, was in short whether (i) post-xorlo Lojban has plural predication, or (ii) whether it just emulates plural predication by using groups-as-individuals, or (iii) both. I wasn't expecting (iii) to be the answer, but it seems it is. So yes, basically resolved - my thanks for your involvement in which - modulo details of precisely how plural predication works, and how it interacts with groups-as-individuals. Martin --4Epv4kl9IRBfg3rk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk5LqhoACgkQULC7OLX7LNalVwCgtMG1JXU0mW1dWTvR+9I5jmvu t9cAn3FB0uFPZZOAGv0GlPJWPv37JcJb =VPUg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Epv4kl9IRBfg3rk--