From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRD9he7xBBoEeYwN9A@googlegroups.com Thu Aug 04 22:43:40 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QpDC4-0007z1-Ti; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:43:39 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf2644108fxd.16 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:43:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1M1MysjyRZ6tRctf3tncPtmOcqgorqQWW6++r1Avx9o=; b=DvPw5lI2Izj/wv8Q0nHrSA6WHcIsWCtduRdbzXifgNTvlWxvp6W4zhMdOfdATRKjrP S76iyY9DcxX6SN3Dikoc6CjxmbHtSYAYwDIBYuxmz15W+nvQr+yjYdu76tUdeL9bqHn/ pszA3uqCh2FnStOe+EF8hD20LpDUiq3sg44DU= Received: by 10.223.111.212 with SMTP id t20mr245118fap.10.1312523005930; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:43:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.210 with SMTP id p18ls1501940bkw.3.gmail; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.141.88 with SMTP id l24mr201604bku.19.1312523004470; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.141.88 with SMTP id l24mr201603bku.19.1312523004445; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m24si1180617fag.2.2011.08.04.22.43.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.54; Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so5470850fxe.27 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.161.214 with SMTP id s22mr2287806fax.59.1312523004221; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.72.11 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 22:43:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 01:43:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Klingon proverbs in Lojban To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0023545306986d199d04a9bb938f --0023545306986d199d04a9bb938f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:16 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > No, none of those is a replacement proverb. > In Klingon circles, a 'replacement proverb' (qa'meH vIttlhegh) is uttered > by a person immediately after he feels he has lost honor, e.g., by > committing a gaff in public, and thus attempts to regain his honor. > > Examples from "Power Klingon", an audio cassette by Marc Okrand, include: > > DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' ghu' > Set fire on the side when there is danger. > > reH Suvrup SuvwI''a' > A great warrior is always prepared. > > Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu' > Only fools laugh while warriors die. > > HIvqa' veqlargh > The Fek'lhr strikes again. > gunta fa la veklarg I don't know how to say "again" ('x+1'th occurrence?). stevo > > The replacement proverbs are basically interchangeable; any one can be used > on any occasion when it is felt necessary. The literal meanings are also > completely irrelevant. Replacement proverbs are similar to apologies in > other cultures. > > stevo > (aka lay'tel SIvten) > > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> hmm, I assume that by "Klingong replacement proverbs" you mean (for >> example) some of the entires here: >> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Klingon_proverbs >> >> lo ba'e bajra nanmu cu kakne lo nu ka'argau lo voki'o galxe ze'i lo pa >> nicte >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:18 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> >>> Just a thought. >>> Translate Klingon replacement proverbs into Lojban. >>> >>> Curiouser and curiouser. >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:16 PM, MorphemeAddict = <lytlesw@gmail.co= m> wrote:
No, none of those is a replacement proverb.
In Klingon circles, a 'replacement proverb' (qa'meH vIttlh= egh) is uttered by a person immediately after he feels he has lost honor, e= .g., by committing a gaff in public, and thus attempts to regain his honor.=
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Examples from "Power Klingon", an audio cassette by Marc Okr= and, include:
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DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' g= hu'
Set fire on the side when there i= s danger.
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reH Suvrup SuvwI''a' =
A great warrior is always prepare= d.
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Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS Su= vwI'pu'
Only fools laugh while warriors d= ie.

HIvqa' veqlargh
= The Fek'lhr strikes again.
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gunta fa la veklarg
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I don't know how to say "again" ('x+1'th occurre= nce?).
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stevo
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The replacement proverbs are basically interchangeable; any one can be= used on any occasion when it is felt necessary. The literal meanings are a= lso completely irrelevant. Replacement proverbs are similar to apologies in= other cultures.
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stevo
(aka lay'tel SIvten)

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
hmm, I assume that by "Klin= gong replacement proverbs" you mean (for example) some of the entires = here:=A0http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Klingon_proverbs=20

lo ba'e bajra nanmu cu kakne lo nu ka'argau lo voki'o galx= e=A0ze'i lo pa nicte


On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:18 PM, MorphemeAddict <<= a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com= > wrote:
Just a thought.
Translate Klingon replacement proverbs into Lojban.
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Curiouser and curiouser.
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stevo

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