From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCsnLvyBBoEr-mmXg@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 19 13:57:29 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QuW86-0007hT-4Y; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:57:29 -0700 Received: by yxk8 with SMTP id 8sf4871966yxk.16 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:57:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3lFQFGhsMiveLpPUf4CLQg1vFtdISAXHhhMOOrgfomY=; b=y4PuiC+Wr9xEC4ZmV5whVP6/ciooOTQAVBDd38/MNbawA+JYbOb5U+vPNOfoHt0bV8 WGt+Fd3SdQ3aMLmwZYfokWTEyMI6heq+9QZDeSfAruQNbT3CU3WFoD3YKRKQdQE+zJeS ullWNn3YCR82//oUzPxX3mY78O0lbKXatebEA= Received: by 10.91.113.7 with SMTP id q7mr55798agm.15.1313787436761; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:57:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.143.210 with SMTP id w18ls2377110ibu.5.gmail; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.151.197 with SMTP id f5mr254169icw.31.1313787435935; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.151.197 with SMTP id f5mr254168icw.31.1313787435926; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gh9si1992060icb.3.2011.08.19.13.57.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.172; Received: by mail-iy0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 7so6894733iye.31 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:57:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.173.134 with SMTP id r6mr171304icz.355.1313787435716; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.165.199 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:57:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201108191206.05093.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201108191206.05093.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:57:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Easy Lujvo From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > "rodrai" and "tolrodrai" need to be distinguished in the Lojban gloss. I've removed tolrodrai. I guess it would just generate problems rather than solivng them. > Also "tol-" is pretty common by itself, as are "nal-" and "nor-". yes but they would just expand to their standard interpretaiion, right? {tolbo'e} -> {to'e brode} It wouldn't add anything else (no change in the sumti place, for example) Same goes for nal and nor. > For morphologic reasons, "-mau" is sometimes replaced with "zma" Right, I've added both. > "ficbo'e" violates phonotactics. Yes, I fixed this and the other wrong lujvo > I'd put "frica" as a suffix. The first word I thought of beginning with "fic" > is "ficysi'u". "re frica prenu" means "two different people (both different > from someone else)", whereas "re ficysi'u prenu" means "two different people > (different from each other)". I'm not sure I understand your point here. Given that a lujvo, after all, can be given the desired meaning, how would be ficybroda different from brodyficra? I would prefer short rafsi where possible. > "simxu" should be in the list. Agreed. > "jdika" should not be crossed out, it just doesn't have a short rafsi. I would prefer lujvo made with short rafsi, It's unfortunate that {jdika} hasn't one :( > I don't remember seeing "-bra" or "-cma" added to arbitrary gismu, except > in "plisycma", which was a joke. Usually they're prefixes. I still prefer the suffix form, though. Could you elaborate on why the prefix should be better? > "rodcre" violates phonotactics. Fixed > I don't think "-cre" is common enough to include in the list. Agreed > I don't think "si'o-" is that common as a prefix. You may be thinking > of "siz-", which is the rafsi of the cmavo "si'o". The suffix "-si'o" is > fairly close to "-ism". I like the idea of -ism! I've made a new version a the same link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7681579/easylujvo.pdf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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