From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxDpgsDyBBoEVlfnKA@googlegroups.com Sat Aug 20 11:48:24 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Quqah-0007BU-Kl; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:48:24 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf4821723gwb.16 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:48:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=T3HQMgr1BEuwJddHHRmaQsZef/25MaB8oQPAW75Kce0=; b=62xFsxAHsAMd/X5hfh4KfcY4+W6/+g7Rs7u8er+ZwbzYcx1fNF+gpxD0mLQ34mzBbU Dx9C4SthmeUuTC6LQtDzW7yZQkIuzedZiD7qECl+UFI1Iur4a7a7sOHLuS2GcIc8AlD5 dZ786KVmSGe6Y2pzC54hXwxEKwAVbwqd42A60= Received: by 10.150.94.2 with SMTP id r2mr98164ybb.62.1313866089786; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:48:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.197.39 with SMTP id z39ls2582849anp.2.gmail; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.191.74 with SMTP id f50mr3414806yhn.1.1313866088168; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.191.74 with SMTP id f50mr3414805yhn.1.1313866088159; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i25si587514yhm.1.2011.08.20.11.48.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.182; Received: by mail-iy0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 1so7641256iye.41 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:48:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.45.68 with SMTP id uj4mr760963icb.87.1313866086984; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.165.199 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:48:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201108191206.05093.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:48:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Easy Lujvo From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A new version for your comments (i've also included some, hopefully, explanatory examples) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7681579/easylujvo.pdf On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> "rodrai" and "tolrodrai" need to be distinguished in the Lojban gloss. > I've removed tolrodrai. I guess it would just generate problems rather > than solivng them. > >> Also "tol-" is pretty common by itself, as are "nal-" and "nor-". > > yes but they would just expand to their standard interpretaiion, right? > > {tolbo'e} -> {to'e brode} > > It wouldn't add anything else (no change in the sumti place, for > example) Same goes for nal and nor. > > >> For morphologic reasons, "-mau" is sometimes replaced with "zma" > Right, I've added both. > >> "ficbo'e" violates phonotactics. > Yes, I fixed this and the other wrong lujvo > >> I'd put "frica" as a suffix. The first word I thought of beginning with "fic" >> is "ficysi'u". "re frica prenu" means "two different people (both different >> from someone else)", whereas "re ficysi'u prenu" means "two different people >> (different from each other)". > > I'm not sure I understand your point here. Given that a lujvo, after > all, can be given the desired meaning, how would be ficybroda > different from brodyficra? I would prefer short rafsi where possible. > >> "simxu" should be in the list. > Agreed. > >> "jdika" should not be crossed out, it just doesn't have a short rafsi. > I would prefer lujvo made with short rafsi, It's unfortunate that > {jdika} hasn't one :( > >> I don't remember seeing "-bra" or "-cma" added to arbitrary gismu, except >> in "plisycma", which was a joke. Usually they're prefixes. > I still prefer the suffix form, though. Could you elaborate on why the > prefix should be better? > >> "rodcre" violates phonotactics. > Fixed > >> I don't think "-cre" is common enough to include in the list. > Agreed > >> I don't think "si'o-" is that common as a prefix. You may be thinking >> of "siz-", which is the rafsi of the cmavo "si'o". The suffix "-si'o" is >> fairly close to "-ism". > > I like the idea of -ism! > > I've made a new version a the same link: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7681579/easylujvo.pdf > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.