From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxDNucPyBBoEGTIAYQ@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 21 03:24:29 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qv5CY-0001zQ-Fs; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:24:28 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf5802893gwb.16 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:24:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=CBT5lEGPYpBnNNQBpax+0hR2a6Jt53SYTjfM/9KTGnA=; b=Y5WObSfvbPBT7pkHKPbqPFPxwnWalsPiYWepWdKKYL89YPTdQmDlICyWMjfNWvig6l YAfU06XGEWwnabhuUoG+h3WA+9UA+2qifV4hT94gXt/JcLQX8waOO8Vf7c6W4otBe72S Y/j59YlzXlEU3jWDWwGYTMVblPJ82f6aHPcvs= Received: by 10.101.138.13 with SMTP id q13mr230477ann.22.1313922253133; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:24:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.8.144 with SMTP id h16ls3628298ibh.1.gmail; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.175.136 with SMTP id ba8mr1979581icb.27.1313922252484; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.175.136 with SMTP id ba8mr1979580icb.27.1313922252474; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com (mail-iy0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fc18si2821901icb.1.2011.08.21.03.24.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.171; Received: by mail-iy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 13so8684593iyf.30 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.173.134 with SMTP id r6mr1331947icz.355.1313922252325; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.165.199 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:24:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] [PROPOSAL] Comparison From: Remo Dentato To: lojban X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It all started with a question on how to do comparisons and my desire to support the easy lujvo, but I think there's a decision that should be made. I propose herein to introduce a "standard" way of doing comparison and superlatives (PLEASE CHECK THE LOJBAN EQUIVALENT): -rai traji superlative rodrai x1 is the most broda among x2 ko'a traji fo ko'e fe lo ka broda ko'i ko'o ko'u -zma zmadu compartive maj rodzma x1 is more broda than x2 by x3 ko'a zmadu ko'e ko'i lo ka broda ko'o ko'u fo'a ... -mau zmadu compartive maj rodmau x1 is more broda than x2 by x3 ko'a zmadu ko'e ko'i lo ka broda ko'o ko'u fo'a ... -me'a mleca comparative min rodme'a x1 is less broda than x2 by x3 ko'a mleca ko'e ko'i lo ka broda ko'o ko'u fo'a ... -du'i dunli equality rodydu'i x1 is as broda as x2 ko'a dunli ko'e lo ka broda ko'i ko'o ko'u and, possibly, some other too that happen very commonly: -tce mutce much rodytce x1 broda a lot ko'a mutce lo ka ko'a broda ko'e ko'i ko'u -du'e dukse excesses rodydu'e x1 broda too much ko'a dukse lo ka ko'a broda ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u The benefit would be that all the comparisons would have the same sumti place and we would maintain the point that Lojban has as few exceptions as possible. At the moment there are inconsistency, for example: citmau x1=z1=c1 is younger than x=z2 by amount x3=z4. bramau x1=z1 is bigger than x2=z2 in dimension x3=b2 by margin x4=z4 mojmau x1=z1 has a better memory than x2=z2 with regards to facts x3=m2 about subject x4=m3 by amount/excess x5=z4 The amount the one is "more" than the other is x3 for {citmau}, x4 for {bramau} and x5 for mojmau. The downside of my proposal would be that jbovlaste would have to be fixed (not a big task, though) and some existing text would become incorrect (!!). For example: With the current jbovlaste definition {mi nelrai lo plise} -> "I like apples the most", would the proposal be adopted -> "I (among apples) like most" What do you all think about this? remod. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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