From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBCuxMPyBBoEU_VQ2A@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 21 03:47:36 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qv5Yl-0004eF-R3; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:47:35 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf4726204qwh.16 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:47:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dfemwGNGCL2YKUtiO+/XeDaW14eWzn2/KnL0iDChUuY=; b=AdFakJucL1eEIQ06QbQRLrCwNhBAUzLTX8XbloU/E6QHI6FHvcvATGqFiayB1P5/9m bIp8VQ6LDg6GaoNxrt12IuV4HoG3XWHY3Y9gODxXmu9TOazMNwDEt3HfDX1ixrlLG6g0 VlM4sQggm6HdWLzkYwrUfbs0mbPOGBtm+yRgE= Received: by 10.224.173.80 with SMTP id o16mr154694qaz.9.1313923630221; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.89.4 with SMTP id c4ls9606076qam.1.gmail; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.217.133 with SMTP id hm5mr942156qab.0.1313923629205; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.217.133 with SMTP id hm5mr942155qab.0.1313923629195; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f51.google.com (mail-qw0-f51.google.com [209.85.216.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i2si1820217qcv.1.2011.08.21.03.47.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.51; Received: by qwf7 with SMTP id 7so3520785qwf.24 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.2.23 with SMTP id 23mr612050qch.253.1313923629033; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.73.203 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:47:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1313511086.45473.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110817114634.GE6674@gonzales> <1313593494.36002.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110819002533.GG6674@gonzales> <20110819100840.GA27065@SDF.ORG> <20110820105209.GD25668@SDF.ORG> <20110820195330.GB19624@SDF.ORG> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:47:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and masses From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/8/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Martin Bays wrote: >> * Saturday, 2011-08-20 at 11:39 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas : >>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Martin Bays wrote: >>> > So in {lo broda ro ri brode}, {ri} >>> > would have to carry as information not only what Whole {lo >>> > broda} refers to, but also that quantification of it is to be taken >>> > with respect to broda-atoms. >>> >>> What I meant was that it is "brode", not "ri", that needs to carry >>> that information. >> >> How would that work, sorry? >> >> Having it in the sumti seems coherent, and I'm starting to think it >> might even be usable (and barely diverge from current usage and >> prescription). > > (Do you want "lo broda zo'u ro ri brode"? Otherwise "ro ri" goes in > the x2 of "brode".) > > I think we should be able to say "lo broda zo'u ro ri poi brodi cu > brode" where "brodi" dismembers the broda-atoms into brodi-atoms. > > To be more concrete: > > lo bevri be lo jubme zo'u re ri cu verba > "The carriers of table(s): two of them are children." > > should not imply that two whole teams of table carriers are children, > but is more likely just saying that two people among the table > carriers are children.. > > This is basically saying that "lo broda" is "zo'e noi ke'a broda", and > not "zo'e noi ro ke'a broda". I agree. And if we wanted to quantify over "re lo bevri be su'o jubme" in the earlier example, we could say "PA go'i": re lo bevri be su'o jubme cu ci mei .i pa go'i (=3D pa lo re lo bevri / pa lo ci mei ) cu verba mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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