From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDGjMXyBBoEa_XqNQ@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 21 10:54:29 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QvCE3-0005Ra-K3; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:54:28 -0700 Received: by ywa6 with SMTP id 6sf7553708ywa.16 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:54:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:message-id:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MVLh+iQfFkWFkyrIZS0/+m8ixzcgt2/SdTkFGHnHGLQ=; b=TwumlpDDk5aAie1YXAXWnIcJEX/1WGuZzyP/U4tU6ubBKmaPVzjDDY1+6nuVbsuyRy pU2dW+E4D7AH2HXJ4qV3/mraAJJoXXHGidGLstynAMURfaNLdtGS9gZNd6LpCPMJl7Lo 7E5bkgXA+6TgOK8tInwUrkxpmN07K4qeJ4Wgg= Received: by 10.150.52.7 with SMTP id z7mr310496ybz.29.1313949254130; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:54:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.173.9 with SMTP id v9ls10908318ybe.6.gmail; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.191.74 with SMTP id f50mr7190133yhn.1.1313949253008; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.191.74 with SMTP id f50mr7190132yhn.1.1313949252997; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.214]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id i25si952468yhm.1.2011.08.21.10.54.11; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.214 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.214; Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2011 17:54:11 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.100] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2011 17:54:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2011 17:54:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 725866.32674.bm@omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 10195 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2011 17:54:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FJklUJ8VM1m7RGZ5dyQHV5BotfweU.xrq.fOuZNQ.fhBqlZ wHtlaYay0ia_8OFJiNX7.bX4IM3HMbZ3PEGXMfqzgZZX5dtPAFlDyuIbWBKl t5DLM1T7vZzEbJDBiDD7huPAuhbupRAJIEM8uxRJOwY4Hf0diyCF2G5eZGp1 BPzYTbsMtbJRwWXaFeuopRO39EPNKmxL1pz4XCQgoMNM049YU_h_IV3CsWqf WaaP6tkLbz37X4ktX1wEMpHiHf1ZXFXJnS1opwonAyHCcJevgdNFd0OLclDQ .RidHbEAs180bHzYecyvomBvDqV7Yn8ZiLx5w4qiC3VKGJ8KzMVrAoI0WRB5 RONa67MB.N2jNolyIzWqQ8Y34LHB04Cvr.GIxPk_4Ib.y24OZj8F_HWiVPnA b54.UiNi.ZQDZNU_ppUFBIZ7nR7_I9CijbGtIlv896.5dR8Ov3FaHCrkVtPy KSufPg_9dsNHyL6WyC0dUNLw7nnJ0tdA7G0.n.GKwWalhLvcDl_l2O8KTpkp ONJkdaoxcEXHmFMFFO6jWYTM6wryrnl8Xmy2nW3YQQMR2a2I- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:54:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/574 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.313619 References: <20110811101134.GF10697@gonzales> <1313159555.91794.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110812152917.GK10697@gonzales> <20110813082934.GO10697@gonzales> <1313242205.82409.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110813150339.GR10697@gonzales> Message-ID: <1313949251.24200.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and masses To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.214 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm with Jones on this. The word "mass", which you don't use all that often, admittedly, is totally useless for these conversations, so that is out. Secondly, descriptions refer to things in the domain of discourse, which need not be mereologically closed either up or down, and usually isn't (when I talk about rhinoceroses, I have never yet even thought about their brains, though I would, if asked, have admitted they were se besna -- still not talking about their brains.) So much of what you say is off topic, indeed, irrelevant to Lojban, as far as I can see. Part-whole has nothing to do with predication (unless you include collective/distributive in it, where it does not strictly belong). Semantics is not biology or physics or ,,,, and syntax even less so. Nor, contrary to your last remark, does what yu say have any obvious linguiatic relation to 'lo besna' and 'lo xanto'. ----- Original Message ---- From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, August 21, 2011 7:53:33 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] xorlo and masses On 21 August 2011 12:58, Jonathan Jones wrote: > You do realize that, if I didn't read your last wall of text, I'm not going > to read this one either, yes? Yes, I do. > If you want to have a conversation/debate over this with me, you'll need to > do two things: > > 1) Stop writing essays that I am in no way going to waste my time reading. I don't have to stop writing anything in order for you to not read it. You already didn't. Also, this is a public conversation. I'm submitting my thoughts to anyone. > 2) Stop posting in this thread. start a new one. The topic you're talking > about has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is "lo" and "mass". I'm talking about the "lo" and "mass" of things, like lo besna in relation to lo xanto. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.