From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDg0_DxBBoEd4IPPw@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 05 10:35:43 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QpOJ9-00042e-GF; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:35:43 -0700 Received: by wwf4 with SMTP id 4sf1178081wwf.16 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:35:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UKuS1Q8x5WlPu+EsLq6tFjXjlHwex0jsgXfBBiJgWho=; b=V7Q+pJ/ZZC783OXjsdcT8zYwXBUR1XDMtbqR8FaOjt7SQMTMjvHPxe3itYHSEbbTov 1QsWA8AXOe0lRSfop7Czw0w8pb3Hm4qz7H9d6fb6rXY3ippLrtW5/C8d3KJ1fmHKw/lr rIQv0Ah8TnJQnGnGdslxfGSz/ke6TRTa92Ojo= Received: by 10.216.184.70 with SMTP id r48mr896437wem.9.1312565728580; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:35:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.137.212 with SMTP id x20ls9371329wbt.0.gmail; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.204.148 with SMTP id fm20mr88803wbb.11.1312565726261; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.204.148 with SMTP id fm20mr88802wbb.11.1312565726224; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c25si5094885wbp.1.2011.08.05.10.35.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.175; Received: by wyf19 with SMTP id 19so554167wyf.34 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.79.18 with SMTP id h18mr2276245wee.3.1312565726067; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:35:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.26.65 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:35:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201108050747.17647.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Luke Bergen Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Klingon proverbs in Lojban To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0b4f0d8bc0804a9c585bd --000e0ce0b4f0d8bc0804a9c585bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't think so. {lo krefu} is AN occurrence (the x3rd occurrence to be precise) of recurring event/activity/recurring-thing x2. So {lo krefu nuncitka} is an "occurrence type-of eating event". Theoretically it shouldn't REALLY work for "again" just because it could be {lo krefu be fi li pa} On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> I was just about to send a message about using krefu. Whether it's right >> or not, I've seen and use myself the form {mi krefu citka} for things like >> "I eat again". >> > > That was my first thought, too, with "krefu", but then it seemed to mean > (using your example) "I eat again and again" (i.e., recurringly), which is > not quite what I wanted. > > stevo > >> >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:16 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> >>>> On Friday 05 August 2011 01:43:04 MorphemeAddict wrote: >>>> > gunta fa la veklarg >>>> > >>>> > I don't know how to say "again" ('x+1'th occurrence?). >>>> >>>> za'ure'u - that's what it was in Alice. >>>> >>>> Pierre >>>> >>> Does "za'u re'u" already contain the idea of 'time' or 'occurrence'? It >>> seems to be just an ordinal number meaning 'further', 'additional'. >>> >>> Does this work: >>> za'u re'u gunta fa la veklarg >>> >>> I also found "krefu", but I don't know if/how "krefu" can be used to get >>> the meaning of 'again'. >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0ce0b4f0d8bc0804a9c585bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think so. =A0{lo krefu} is AN occurrence (the x3rd occurrence t= o be precise) of recurring event/activity/recurring-thing x2.

So {lo krefu nuncitka} is an "occurrence type-of eating event&qu= ot;. =A0Theoretically it shouldn't REALLY work for "again" ju= st because it could be {lo krefu be fi li pa}

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM, MorphemeAddi= ct <lytlesw@gmail= .com> wrote:


On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:21 P= M, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I was just about to send a message ab= out using krefu. =A0Whether it's right or not, I've seen and use my= self the form {mi krefu citka} for things like "I eat again".
=A0
That was my first thought, too, with "krefu", but then= it seemed to mean (using your example) "I eat again and again" (= i.e., recurringly), which is not quite what I wanted.
=A0
stevo

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:16 PM, MorphemeAddict <= lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:


On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu= > wrote:
On Friday 05 August 2011 01:43:04 MorphemeAddict wrote:
> gunta = fa la veklarg
>
> I don't know how to say "again"= ('x+1'th occurrence?).

za'ure'u - that's = what it was in Alice.

Pierre
Does "za'u re'u" already contain the idea of 'ti= me' or 'occurrence'? It seems to be just an ordinal number mean= ing 'further', 'additional'.
=A0
Does this work:
za'u re'u gunta fa la veklarg
=A0
I also found "krefu", but I don't know if/how "kref= u" can be used to get the meaning of 'again'.
=A0
stevo

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