From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDKktPyBBoEWq68rQ@googlegroups.com Wed Aug 24 02:50:16 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QwA68-0006Tq-FS; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:50:16 -0700 Received: by vxh2 with SMTP id 2sf632330vxh.16 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:50:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=YIDzdNNFD0OP96DVTY1BRrDeOufjLJ/4aOt8yr68Kfo=; b=6PCtF7DgVU98p3mBrqTS0MmAH0OyW8KeMJDc/OIy8xCuzmG0iHUSvqmj3THnB0EAWu nALbPkr6URE8QVgT9U7e/TCo6b+Mr+/88U7/EhuycNUXuB7e2YUTwOu0vbmEbG0uqoks EEEHgQozdvzPjmhbjEC3357o5wtll2PTgebVY= Received: by 10.220.108.14 with SMTP id d14mr24010vcp.44.1314179402738; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:50:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.164.3 with SMTP id ym3ls1822634vdb.2.gmail; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.185.99 with SMTP id fb3mr2412674vdc.7.1314179401761; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.185.99 with SMTP id fb3mr2412673vdc.7.1314179401752; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ch3si288591vdc.2.2011.08.24.02.49.59; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8mDY8c80ZOa76EOwICuS+E2YRQjxDgO9xqUnRMONc7w= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=kHASyLJxpUtZO5ZKjewA:9 a=sfZLY1DXy8ZTWvrrWVQA:7 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:33383] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B6/34-00666-749C45E4; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:49:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8873D17C32 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:49:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] proportions Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:49:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <15200102.1989.1314122657841.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcd38> In-Reply-To: <15200102.1989.1314122657841.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcd38> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201108240549.56781.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 23 August 2011 14:04:17 djandus wrote: > So, I just wanted to know, what's the official way to do a few quantifying > things right now? > > How can I translate each of the following into Lojban: > 1. You like two of my shoes. > 2. You like both of my shoes. > 3. You like two of my three shoes. .i do nelci re lo mi cutci .i do nelci ro re lo mi cutci .i do nelci re lo mi ci cutci > The first one is a bit of confirmation. I would use 1:{do nelci re cutci pe > mi}. > > I have two main concerns between the other two, with so many little > questions on the side. > > For one, is one way to do proportions 3:{do nelci refi'uci lo cutci pe mi}? > If so, what about implications of 2/3 of a group of 6 or 9? Is that an > issue with {loi}? Can I get rid of lo in the last bit, by {refi'uci lo > cutci} == {refi'uci cutci}? Is there an easier way? Are there alternate > ways? What's the point of lo's inner quantifier, and can it help with > anything like this? (This was demonstrated in "ancient" texts, but not it > post-xorlo writings, so what happens now?) And, while I'm at it, does using > {loi} here instead of {lo} make any explicit difference past an implication > of {do} liking the group distributively? do nelci refi'uci loi cutci pe mi. If you said "lo", that would mean 2/3 of a shoe, out of however many shoes you have. If you said "do nelci cifi'ure loi me cutci", and you have 6 shoes, that means I like 9 of them. Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.