From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRDJ__DxBBoEfqMQrQ@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 05 12:09:14 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QpPlc-0006Np-Pf; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:09:13 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf684619fxd.16 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:09:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=r+DRH8U+aZKe9l7/K30MXNIgOjSMcv4preGDJQyGqDk=; b=3Y+6PT08OJPVlubsTzVSl/hVuWkFVTKEArrwC6u4qqdMaZx30oJcpdMj5J5xXfCVNo 4Egz+33YcaADR9oYMoTxJ941cVBMWovWYI3xbeMIQ6zftz3RXyBIJ8XVhaKag+RKZdxx KrEEdQxIWJUfsM6a/G8W0I0N3T6fiMYgiwwmI= Received: by 10.223.69.141 with SMTP id z13mr397395fai.21.1312571337796; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:08:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.39.211 with SMTP id h19ls1982632bke.2.gmail; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.139.206 with SMTP id f14mr111278bku.18.1312571336481; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.139.206 with SMTP id f14mr111277bku.18.1312571336457; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w1si35388fag.1.2011.08.05.12.08.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.53; Received: by fxd23 with SMTP id 23so3644151fxd.26 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.26.70 with SMTP id d6mr3309028fac.78.1312571336147; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.72.11 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:08:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:08:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Klingon proverbs in Lojban To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173fef803bc38204a9c6d486 --0015173fef803bc38204a9c6d486 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've been using "fa" to imitate the OVS structure of Klingon, but I think it's better to use an unmarked form of Lojban instead. po'o lo bebna cu cmila ca nu lo damba cu mrobi'o stevo On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu' > Only fools laugh while warriors die. > > cmila fa po'o lo bebna ca nu mrobi'o fa lo damba > > stevo > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:16 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> No, none of those is a replacement proverb. >> In Klingon circles, a 'replacement proverb' (qa'meH vIttlhegh) is uttered >> by a person immediately after he feels he has lost honor, e.g., by >> committing a gaff in public, and thus attempts to regain his honor. >> >> Examples from "Power Klingon", an audio cassette by Marc Okrand, include: >> >> DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' ghu' >> Set fire on the side when there is danger. >> >> reH Suvrup SuvwI''a' >> A great warrior is always prepared. >> >> Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu' >> Only fools laugh while warriors die. >> >> HIvqa' veqlargh >> The Fek'lhr strikes again. >> >> The replacement proverbs are basically interchangeable; any one can be >> used on any occasion when it is felt necessary. The literal meanings are >> also completely irrelevant. Replacement proverbs are similar to apologies in >> other cultures. >> >> stevo >> (aka lay'tel SIvten) >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >>> hmm, I assume that by "Klingong replacement proverbs" you mean (for >>> example) some of the entires here: >>> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Klingon_proverbs >>> >>> lo ba'e bajra nanmu cu kakne lo nu ka'argau lo voki'o galxe ze'i lo pa >>> nicte >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:18 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>> >>>> Just a thought. >>>> Translate Klingon replacement proverbs into Lojban. >>>> >>>> Curiouser and curiouser. >>>> >>>> stevo >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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I've been using "fa" to imitate the OVS structure of Kli= ngon, but I think it's better to use an unmarked form of Lojban instead= .
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po'o lo bebna cu cmila ca nu lo damba cu mrobi'o
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stevo

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com= > wrote:
Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS Su= vwI'pu'
Only fools laugh while warriors d= ie.

cmila fa po'o lo bebna ca nu mrobi'o fa lo damba
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stevo

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:16 PM, MorphemeAddict = <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
No, none of those is a replacement proverb.
In Klingon circles, a 'replacement proverb' (qa'meH vIttlh= egh) is uttered by a person immediately after he feels he has lost honor, e= .g., by committing a gaff in public, and thus attempts to regain his honor.=
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Examples from "Power Klingon", an audio cassette by Marc Okr= and, include:
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DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' g= hu'
Set fire on the side when there i= s danger.
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reH Suvrup SuvwI''a' =
A great warrior is always prepare= d.
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Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS Su= vwI'pu'
Only fools laugh while warriors d= ie.

HIvqa' veqlargh
= The Fek'lhr strikes again.
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The replacement proverbs are basically interchangeable; any one can be= used on any occasion when it is felt necessary. The literal meanings are a= lso completely irrelevant. Replacement proverbs are similar to apologies in= other cultures.
=A0
stevo
(aka lay'tel SIvten)

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
hmm, I assume that by "Klin= gong replacement proverbs" you mean (for example) some of the entires = here:=A0http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Klingon_proverbs=20

lo ba'e bajra nanmu cu kakne lo nu ka'argau lo voki'o galx= e=A0ze'i lo pa nicte


On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:18 PM, MorphemeAddict <<= a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com= > wrote:
Just a thought.
Translate Klingon replacement proverbs into Lojban.
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Curiouser and curiouser.
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stevo

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