From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCEg_HxBBoECuu1pw@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 05 12:16:36 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QpPsk-0006eJ-Kf; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:16:35 -0700 Received: by wwf4 with SMTP id 4sf1595100wwf.16 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:16:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qCnogEsPAMgkoNtRrDGomW0H6fviwjNaqnC6DvAuqLg=; b=WxAsx6DR83D4TSNqrKJZA+EOq9NbB5eX7cxkbxi+Kc3Qghj22gtyounRR/ZX3r+LOd fqVR0LeEjJeIiYjAY3gzh998bDzgBoat70Q4400brugfZAM3zNnSeS91KAYOF9yWW4AF nyBQ6smsdscb0j0MkFfpmRTiho/+1SPEnURxk= Received: by 10.216.135.137 with SMTP id u9mr942708wei.6.1312571780163; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:16:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.106.37 with SMTP id v37ls12675106wbo.1.gmail; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.160.79 with SMTP id m15mr144225wbx.11.1312571779321; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.160.79 with SMTP id m15mr144224wbx.11.1312571779287; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k13si4348248wbp.2.2011.08.05.12.16.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by mail-wy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 13so1462244wyh.2 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.166.144 with SMTP id g16mr332957wel.18.1312571779094; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:16:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.26.65 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:15:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Luke Bergen Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Klingon proverbs in Lojban To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364176bfa29a1a04a9c6ee9b --0016364176bfa29a1a04a9c6ee9b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 since po'o is a UI it modifies the preceding word so wouldn't you want {lo bebna po'o cu cmila ca [lo?] nu lo damba cu mrobi'o}? On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:08 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > I've been using "fa" to imitate the OVS structure of Klingon, but I think > it's better to use an unmarked form of Lojban instead. > > po'o lo bebna cu cmila ca nu lo damba cu mrobi'o > > stevo > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu' >> Only fools laugh while warriors die. >> >> cmila fa po'o lo bebna ca nu mrobi'o fa lo damba >> >> stevo >> >> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:16 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> >>> No, none of those is a replacement proverb. >>> In Klingon circles, a 'replacement proverb' (qa'meH vIttlhegh) is uttered >>> by a person immediately after he feels he has lost honor, e.g., by >>> committing a gaff in public, and thus attempts to regain his honor. >>> >>> Examples from "Power Klingon", an audio cassette by Marc Okrand, include: >>> >>> DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' ghu' >>> Set fire on the side when there is danger. >>> >>> reH Suvrup SuvwI''a' >>> A great warrior is always prepared. >>> >>> Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu' >>> Only fools laugh while warriors die. >>> >>> HIvqa' veqlargh >>> The Fek'lhr strikes again. >>> >>> The replacement proverbs are basically interchangeable; any one can be >>> used on any occasion when it is felt necessary. The literal meanings are >>> also completely irrelevant. Replacement proverbs are similar to apologies in >>> other cultures. >>> >>> stevo >>> (aka lay'tel SIvten) >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> >>>> hmm, I assume that by "Klingong replacement proverbs" you mean (for >>>> example) some of the entires here: >>>> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Klingon_proverbs >>>> >>>> lo ba'e bajra nanmu cu kakne lo nu ka'argau lo voki'o galxe ze'i lo pa >>>> nicte >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:18 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just a thought. >>>>> Translate Klingon replacement proverbs into Lojban. >>>>> >>>>> Curiouser and curiouser. >>>>> >>>>> stevo >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016364176bfa29a1a04a9c6ee9b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable since po'o is a UI it modifies the preceding word so wouldn't you w= ant {lo bebna po'o cu cmila ca [lo?] nu lo damba cu mrobi'o}?
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:08 PM, MorphemeAddict= <lytlesw@gmail.c= om> wrote:
I've been using "fa" to = imitate the OVS structure of Klingon, but I think it's better to use an= unmarked form of Lojban instead.
=A0
po'o lo bebna cu cmila ca nu lo damba cu mrobi'o
=A0
stevo

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS Su= vwI'pu'
Only fools laugh while warriors d= ie.

cmila fa po'o lo bebna ca nu mrobi'o fa lo damba
=A0
stevo

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:16 PM, MorphemeAddict = <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
No, none of those is a replacement proverb.
In Klingon circles, a 'replacement proverb' (qa'meH vIttlh= egh) is uttered by a person immediately after he feels he has lost honor, e= .g., by committing a gaff in public, and thus attempts to regain his honor.=
=A0
Examples from "Power Klingon", an audio cassette by Marc Okr= and, include:
=A0
DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' g= hu'
Set fire on the side when there i= s danger.
=A0
reH Suvrup SuvwI''a' =
A great warrior is always prepare= d.
=A0
Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS Su= vwI'pu'
Only fools laugh while warriors d= ie.

HIvqa' veqlargh
= The Fek'lhr strikes again.
=A0
The replacement proverbs are basically interchangeable; any one can be= used on any occasion when it is felt necessary. The literal meanings are a= lso completely irrelevant. Replacement proverbs are similar to apologies in= other cultures.
=A0
stevo
(aka lay'tel SIvten)

=A0
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
hmm, I assume that by "Klingong = replacement proverbs" you mean (for example) some of the entires here:= =A0http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Klingon_proverbs=20

lo ba'e bajra nanmu cu kakne lo nu ka'argau lo voki'o galx= e=A0ze'i lo pa nicte


On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:18 PM, MorphemeAddict <<= a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com= > wrote:
Just a thought.
Translate Klingon replacement proverbs into Lojban.
=A0
Curiouser and curiouser.
=A0
stevo

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