From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRCanPbxBBoEs9bXHg@googlegroups.com Sat Aug 06 11:55:51 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qpm22-0003pd-KV; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:50 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf1543983fxd.16 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=o8d+raZ1Q+bbyBP+6qBPwbtEayIJH+hTVPrpVGXCNg4=; b=RKMExp3qIuZxT9IiPK41xWeVcne5dvTmGUqJnHTkQpfMWWmxziLX6YuTISAg4GCdH3 c9cNKUE74IVlbWYQZirg3Z3eRXut85MwnbR0TyHvX9yZw78WkKz6tQ3CJ23kJ60/qIvm XBlwwcL2+F9ZWUztXaAAGhVm8qC0NmXvTWdtI= Received: by 10.223.100.131 with SMTP id y3mr460992fan.36.1312656922530; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.83.129 with SMTP id ag1ls41726bkc.0.gmail; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.23.14 with SMTP id p14mr414224bkb.6.1312656921241; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.23.14 with SMTP id p14mr414223bkb.6.1312656921223; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y17si1264212fah.1.2011.08.06.11.55.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.47; Received: by mail-fx0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 11so3232181fxg.6 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.64.66 with SMTP id d2mr4806115fai.116.1312656921090; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.72.11 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 11:55:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201108060806.15064.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201108060806.15064.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:55:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Klingon proverbs in Lojban To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174764b47e5bc904a9dac1a6 --0015174764b47e5bc904a9dac1a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are the definitions of PU that I have: ba =3D after time tense relation/direction: will [selbri]; after [sumti]; default future tense ca =3D during time tense relation/direction: is [selbri]; during / simultaneous with [sumti]; present tense pu =3D before time tense relation/direction: did [selbri]; before/prior to [sumti]; default past tense Each can be used with either a selbri or a sumti. I don't know if they can be used without either: {mi ca gleki} (with selbri) vs. {mi gleki ca} (with neither selbri nor sumti). With sumti: {mi gleki ca lo nu do zvati ti}. stevo On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 06 August 2011 00:29:31 MorphemeAddict wrote: > > If one can say {mi ca cmila}, then {mi ca nu cmila} should also be > > grammatical, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense. I thought TAGs cou= ld > > be put just about anywhere, and that they don't have any > > requirements/arguments/expectations. > > "mi cmila nu damba" is grammatical, but "mi cmila ca nu damba" is not. Yo= u > can't have a tense marker on the second part of a tanru. > Is there a TAG here somewhere? I don't see one. Or I don't remember what a TAG is. stevo > > Pierre > -- > La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. > Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0015174764b47e5bc904a9dac1a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here are the definitions of PU that I have:
ba =3D after time tense relation/direction: will [selbri]; after [sumt= i]; default future tense
ca =3D during time tense relation/direction: is [selbri]; during / sim= ultaneous with [sumti]; present tense
pu =3D before time tense relation/direction: did [selbri]; before/prio= r to [sumti]; default past tense
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Each can be used with either a selbri=A0or a sumti. I don't know i= f they can be used without either: {mi ca gleki} (with selbri) vs. {mi glek= i ca} (with neither selbri nor sumti). With sumti: {mi gleki ca lo nu do zv= ati ti}.

stevo
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On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu= > wrote:
On Saturday 06 August 2011 00:29:31 MorphemeAddict wrote:=
> If one can say {mi ca cmila}, then {mi ca nu cmila} should also be=
> grammatical, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense. I thought= TAGs could
> be put just about anywhere, and that they don't have any
> r= equirements/arguments/expectations.

"mi cmila nu damba&qu= ot; is grammatical, but "mi cmila ca nu damba" is not. You
can't have a tense marker on the second part of a tanru.
=A0
Is there a TAG here somewhere? I don't see one. Or I don't rem= ember what a TAG is.
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stevo

Pierre
--
La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la s= angre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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