From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARCXsILyBBoE9CsTDA@googlegroups.com Mon Aug 08 19:15:03 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QqbqN-0003IB-2q; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:15:03 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf4261091fxd.16 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:14:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/If+822kfGQg5qVUJTl0U/uZLa/xdYedbPsvI+BlJW0=; b=z1B8cohxCvlvRo64yxeb8bfttZ3Fg5v6dVAOLBd1J6sfQBI3cNwWMgAEaV30VzIHhM 73sRheK4rxdNlRvgsyHC8Nkp2Olurg35Iqcxv+7P899dWWxydk0LoyEVKcAhXTY3im3i S7i7WRt1dZ/382DtsFUeMgC7g6zXQ19vVw9N8= Received: by 10.223.1.74 with SMTP id 10mr1473308fae.39.1312856087467; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:14:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.210 with SMTP id p18ls3751593bkw.3.gmail; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.16.133 with SMTP id o5mr680130bka.20.1312856086221; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.16.133 with SMTP id o5mr680129bka.20.1312856086199; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f51.google.com (mail-fx0-f51.google.com [209.85.161.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y17si2381392fah.1.2011.08.08.19.14.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.51; Received: by mail-fx0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 10so7784976fxh.24 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:14:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.47.89 with SMTP id m25mr8560257faf.121.1312856086054; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.70.137 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:14:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201108050747.17647.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 22:14:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Klingon proverbs in Lojban From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517476552a6856604aa092081 --001517476552a6856604aa092081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If the default number were to be made {xo'e} (which has been proposed to mean {zo'e ze'ei pa}, especially now that its current meaning is useless with xorlo in place) instead of {pa}, then {za'u re'u} would be implicitly {za'u xo'e re'u}, which would definitely work for "again", I think. mu'o mi'e latros On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:16 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Friday 05 August 2011 01:43:04 MorphemeAddict wrote: >> > gunta fa la veklarg >> > >> > I don't know how to say "again" ('x+1'th occurrence?). >> >> za'ure'u - that's what it was in Alice. >> >> Pierre >> > Does "za'u re'u" already contain the idea of 'time' or 'occurrence'? It > seems to be just an ordinal number meaning 'further', 'additional'. > > Does this work: > za'u re'u gunta fa la veklarg > > I also found "krefu", but I don't know if/how "krefu" can be used to get > the meaning of 'again'. > > stevo > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001517476552a6856604aa092081 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the default number were to be made {xo'e} (which has been proposed t= o mean {zo'e ze'ei pa}, especially now that its current meaning is = useless with xorlo in place) instead of {pa}, then {za'u re'u} woul= d be implicitly {za'u xo'e re'u}, which would definitely work f= or "again", I think.

mu'o mi'e latros

On Fri, Aug = 5, 2011 at 12:16 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:


On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:47 AM= , Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Friday 05 August 2011 01:43:04 MorphemeAddict wrote:
> gunta = fa la veklarg
>
> I don't know how to say "again"= ('x+1'th occurrence?).

za'ure'u - that's = what it was in Alice.

Pierre
Does "za'u re'u" already contain the idea of &= #39;time' or 'occurrence'? It seems to be just an ordinal numbe= r meaning 'further', 'additional'.
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Does this work:
za'u re'u gunta fa la veklarg
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I also found "krefu", but I don't know if/how "kref= u" can be used to get the meaning of 'again'.
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stevo

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