From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDapITyBBoEkwNB3Q@googlegroups.com Tue Aug 09 03:56:43 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QqjzB-0006yb-NQ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:56:42 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf2463825vws.16 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:56:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=UZDEcXuUyhDwL10HU/zL1MALSHJoxyCceY/1CrJ+Ja0=; b=3taobEbELThRUiXh/282lRj1wA9p5dL7LeowxOr98gq8tE3YuWs9bORk2dH/UmQR/1 i03Rd7yRcsZbnWnm5qvk9QKZLK/7yMERapNngcxNG6MU4/KhiYSoH0Jo1HGhFpSeswp4 gYv10Nts1agCybFicLCekICKUUo5yD6MZ5XBQ= Received: by 10.220.0.132 with SMTP id 4mr1034586vcb.36.1312887386149; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.22.199 with SMTP id g7ls2392174vdf.1.gmail; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.73.231 with SMTP id o7mr1504241vdv.7.1312887385535; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.73.231 with SMTP id o7mr1504240vdv.7.1312887385526; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bh5si3468999vdc.3.2011.08.09.03.56.24; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SOlsIBN44tkg4MqIq+y2aLZdhoA3kHpmiRsLue6rfnM= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=obAKVVZSG0cA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=kz3tBg0YIBWQZLjuZjoA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:34891] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D9/99-15242-752114E4; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 10:56:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759741A21D for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 06:56:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Klingon proverbs in Lojban Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 06:56:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201108090656.20683.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 09 August 2011 01:21:34 Ian Johnson wrote: > The only real counterargument I see to this is that the universe of > discourse can have a temporal scope, so that {lo pa re'u nu mi klama le > zarci} could refer to the first time I went to the store *today* even > though I've gone to the store hundreds of times in the past. This seems > like a weak counterargument to me because of the inability to conveniently > specify the temporal scope of the universe of discourse (which is something > of a problem anyway, to be frank). PA ROI can be followed by a sumti: "mi za'ure'u le djedi cu klama le zarci". Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.