From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARC7u4XyBBoE-wl-6A@googlegroups.com Tue Aug 09 09:18:20 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqp0R-0000kD-A1; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:18:19 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf153807fxd.16 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:18:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dBJUwoxZctv5mJrjUJjKSUGk9SHSZcpvrIwyU+E2mIU=; b=dA1OAsZB80+VOa3M7AQHbpPgavtCAyyawxwblIfGmBg3oiemCo1GVsWTlUpOHteLJI oBEjsFipqewvrFE3RSjii3EXHlfK0m1S82M/aQobwbI4+MGe4IPNplb6tes2PasF7jtN 9IeMijk7VOfwLK3DY2NsyXAdPNgOCmTAnSPXg= Received: by 10.223.15.4 with SMTP id i4mr492769faa.38.1312906683828; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:18:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.34.143 with SMTP id s15ls521372eea.1.canary; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.2.141 with SMTP id 13mr186998ebj.18.1312906682541; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.2.141 with SMTP id 13mr186997ebj.18.1312906682511; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w1si1434915fag.1.2011.08.09.09.18.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.54; Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so357980fxe.27 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:18:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.75.25 with SMTP id w25mr9636536faj.140.1312906682345; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.70.137 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:18:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201108090656.20683.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201108090656.20683.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:18:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Klingon proverbs in Lojban From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c17746caa4b04aa14e8c5 --0015174c17746caa4b04aa14e8c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ...Never knew that. Nice. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 09 August 2011 01:21:34 Ian Johnson wrote: > > The only real counterargument I see to this is that the universe of > > discourse can have a temporal scope, so that {lo pa re'u nu mi klama le > > zarci} could refer to the first time I went to the store *today* even > > though I've gone to the store hundreds of times in the past. This seems > > like a weak counterargument to me because of the inability to > conveniently > > specify the temporal scope of the universe of discourse (which is > something > > of a problem anyway, to be frank). > > PA ROI can be followed by a sumti: "mi za'ure'u le djedi cu klama le > zarci". > > Pierre > -- > Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015174c17746caa4b04aa14e8c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...Never knew that. Nice.

On Tue, Aug 9,= 2011 at 6:56 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 09 August 2011 01:21:34 Ian Johnson wrote:
> The only real counterargument I see to this is that the universe of > discourse can have a temporal scope, so that {lo pa re'u nu mi kla= ma le
> zarci} could refer to the first time I went to the store *today* even<= br> > though I've gone to the store hundreds of times in the past. This = seems
> like a weak counterargument to me because of the inability to convenie= ntly
> specify the temporal scope of the universe of discourse (which is some= thing
> of a problem anyway, to be frank).

PA ROI can be followed by a sumti: "mi za'ure'u le djedi= cu klama le zarci".

Pierre
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