From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRCt7pLyBBoERZkYXw@googlegroups.com Thu Aug 11 22:16:43 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qrk6q-0006Ml-FZ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:16:43 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf2918711fxd.16 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:16:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ipDozHEcxSEciHxyJVcQS7I+akqcF6LAyKWr0AVDPdA=; b=Q3ZY0BoqowNp8LYnribuaB4is/G+ySqwEIrCsqhDSGwZGwm0prpKplAtlzpAw5PBz3 vAoFXPMtUJpDQiqB50tQYpcJxuGwI8qb8mEKn69LwdQoPW/VPC0jWMkf2bA1YynoipYM iKf+fRqvouSdHjok+G8v4vSJAICdAtOOJr8f4= Received: by 10.223.24.153 with SMTP id v25mr132677fab.48.1313126189427; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:16:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.210 with SMTP id p18ls2341396bkw.3.gmail; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.52.83 with SMTP id h19mr72201bkg.5.1313126188263; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.52.83 with SMTP id h19mr72200bkg.5.1313126188240; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f49.google.com (mail-fx0-f49.google.com [209.85.161.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m24si1265820fag.2.2011.08.11.22.16.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.49; Received: by mail-fx0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 20so3152269fxd.22 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.59.208 with SMTP id m16mr682339fah.47.1313126187075; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:16:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.87.11 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:16:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 01:16:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] no stressed syllables in a name To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747b6caed083704aa480388 --00151747b6caed083704aa480388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OTOH, Lojban *does* have stress, so maybe a final syllable stress would be less obtrusive than trying to indicate no stress at all. stevo On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM, tijlan wrote: > On 11 August 2011 19:10, Remo Dentato wrote: > > I'm not sure what do you mean with "no stress" I instinctively put an > > accent of the first "e": "B=E8rgen". > > > > Maybe it is pronounced as "byrgyn"? That I would be tempted to > > pronounce with no stress (or with the same stress on the vocalic > > sound). > > Not all natural languages use stress. That's especially the case for > syllable- or mora-timed languages. "Paris" in French has no stress. > "Tokyo" in Japanese has no stress. "Bergen" too can be pronounced > naturally with no stress and as other than "byrgyn" in those > languages. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --00151747b6caed083704aa480388 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OTOH, Lojban *does* have stress, so maybe a final syllable stress woul= d be less obtrusive than trying to indicate no stress at all.
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stevo

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11 August 2011 19:10, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm no= t sure what do you mean with "no stress" I instinctively put an > accent of the first "e": "B=E8rgen".
>
&g= t; Maybe it is pronounced as "byrgyn"? That I would be tempted to=
> pronounce with no stress (or with the same stress on the vocalic > sound).

Not all natural languages use stress. That's = especially the case for
syllable- or mora-timed languages. "Paris&q= uot; in French has no stress.
"Tokyo" in Japanese has no stres= s. "Bergen" too can be pronounced
naturally with no stress and as other than "byrgyn" in those
l= anguages.

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