From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBCZ5ZPyBBoEz1qGkw@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 12 02:30:19 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qro4E-0003VD-Bb; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:30:18 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf3021422qwh.16 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:30:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=f9XIXMxru1Ur/o6Bha43CMd01qGDCuXhd/5GZNUx5p8=; b=rwdQeqKn8kUsXfzCK3UShY6mxPj2zBODJva/Y4+a/p6a7f4Gzfb7R2t8+uMoaqkLk1 OBgNXxIxeM1aTKTMH3c6FD2lthGghAC12kLAQ3bRjmxfr0rT6I6pkkzmX0OZuCnzBDZg Odj+ArSK1ANB2CUdSNEM8ZwLMoJQ5sSbPiuu4= Received: by 10.224.116.80 with SMTP id l16mr72003qaq.5.1313141401300; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:30:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.174.15 with SMTP id r15ls5618906qaz.3.gmail; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.31.5 with SMTP id w5mr216090qac.1.1313141399667; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.31.5 with SMTP id w5mr216089qac.1.1313141399656; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f48.google.com (mail-qw0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w30si4142841qcz.0.2011.08.12.02.29.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.48; Received: by qwj9 with SMTP id 9so1769339qwj.7 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:29:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.246.2 with SMTP id lw2mr426963qcb.228.1313141399510; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.227.149 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:29:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:29:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] no stressed syllables in a name From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 12 August 2011 06:16, MorphemeAddict wrote: > OTOH, Lojban *does* have stress, so maybe a final syllable stress would be > less obtrusive than trying to indicate no stress at all. Stress is relevant only for brivla. An unstressed (but paused) cmevla cannot be morphologically ambiguous, and the position of stress, if any, wouldn't technically affect the word's meaning. So there is no reason in Lojban to think or try to indicate that a certain cmevla should have a stress on a certain syllable or none. Conversely, it would be reasonable for Lojban to have no default stress pattern for cmevla. A cmevla with no stress-marking would then generically represent all of its valid stress patterns. There is no way to indicate exactly that a cmevla should be pronounced without a stress, but we could at least indicate that it does not exclude the unstressed pronunciation by not marking any, by not having a default stress. (If we had to have a default for each such phonotactic feature that isn't morphologically, syntactically, or semantically relevant in Lojban, we would have to have ones for tone, pitch, intonation, etc. as well.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.