From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhD1v5byBBoEdgRZZg@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 12 14:49:55 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qrzbz-00028F-RR; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:49:55 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3sf1888408gxk.16 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:49:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0QUie/69lRdG66JZd9qTyT7ynhUqscVJMwFRqYWshjI=; b=PVg3SHK5344vNibDL7X72ugZwp4JjG4uZ0jcnt3fa3a5n3ET6MVacJtfdi36Gkp0SJ aTa4j9T1+uM+bNA7K+4BVfr0gE6SoRJTNWsVrIGnbxL/aJwi0Ko7EOe3fz3lj+BlKxAk Ii1CRp+ofd3aDNu9qZObUmjjFlaK4MkRZVxko= Received: by 10.236.170.198 with SMTP id p46mr463259yhl.18.1313185781431; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:49:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.7.200 with SMTP id e8ls2676300ibe.5.gmail; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.76.136 with SMTP id e8mr1793825ick.25.1313185780312; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.76.136 with SMTP id e8mr1793824ick.25.1313185780301; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f170.google.com (mail-iy0-f170.google.com [209.85.210.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w7si3475048icv.6.2011.08.12.14.49.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.170; Received: by iye16 with SMTP id 16so2151472iye.15 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:49:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.131.129 with SMTP id z1mr1494658ics.219.1313185779881; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.176.68 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:49:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:49:39 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] no stressed syllables in a name From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6134b8ef184504aa55e336 --90e6ba6134b8ef184504aa55e336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 8:17 AM, tijlan wrote: > On 12 August 2011 11:31, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Sorry, but I find that I naturally pronounce "Bergen" as {bErgen}. > Granted, > > I don't put a /lot/ of stress on the first syllable, but it's definitely > > there. > > I find myself incapable of pronouncing it with no stress at all, > > You never have to pronounce it without a stress in Lojban. Nor do you > have to assume that it must have a stress and {bErgen} is the only > natural way for everybody, if that's what you mean by "it's definitely > there". > I'm not talking about any rules or mandates. I'm talking about how my tongue, lips, and vocal chords work when I attempt to say "Bergen". > > although if I want to sound like a twat, I am able to put even /more/ > stress > > on gen than I do on ber. > > That would effectively be perceived as {ber,GEN}. Duh. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --90e6ba6134b8ef184504aa55e336 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 8:17 AM, tijlan = <jbotijlan@gmai= l.com> wrote:
On 12 August 2011 11:31, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, but I find that I naturally pronounce "Bergen" as {bE= rgen}. Granted,
> I don't put a /lot/ of stress on the first syllable, but it's = definitely
> there.
> I find myself incapable of pronouncing it with no stress at all,

You never have to pronounce it without a stress in Lojban. Nor do you=
have to assume that it must have a stress and {bErgen} is the only
natural way for everybody, if that's what you mean by "it's de= finitely
there".

I'm not talking about any rules o= r mandates. I'm talking about how my tongue, lips, and vocal chords wor= k when I attempt to say "Bergen".
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> although if I want to sound like a twat, I am able to put even /more/ = stress
> on gen than I do on ber.

That would effectively be perceived as {ber,GEN}.
Duh.
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