From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDJ4ZbyBBoE_p32cQ@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 12 16:01:43 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qs0jU-000600-Qt; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:01:43 -0700 Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26sf7276415wyj.16 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:01:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HtFNTf4CvWqKA7D0SL0ST8/N75LUsjGXZ2Q+Sdygk1k=; b=bpc3jdgD23rd97AY+lHbAee7SggtGmLu2F608oHftWRs6vjGV5igiEEy2hP8lg3gck kZKlV0xgNqq2pK9g6yNavtjpZ3xjqQXCCeIqx16qiq57asq+o6i2m6/PVMvVRSkh0HrD 6Zzz7afwWGK0rfT4MPV877GwWeBnFDwk4kI9Y= Received: by 10.216.184.4 with SMTP id r4mr494998wem.16.1313190089229; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.138.211 with SMTP id b19ls8389377wbu.3.gmail; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.74 with SMTP id b10mr128792wbw.3.1313190087556; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.151.74 with SMTP id b10mr128791wbw.3.1313190087529; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f176.google.com (mail-wy0-f176.google.com [74.125.82.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m17si5106686wbo.1.2011.08.12.16.01.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.176; Received: by wyg30 with SMTP id 30so3922523wyg.35 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.9.18 with SMTP id 18mr1350101wes.54.1313190087351; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.23.73 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.23.73 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:01:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] no stressed syllables in a name From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364c7ea3addea504aa56e46b --0016364c7ea3addea504aa56e46b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No that's exactly how it's said. Burrrr like it's cold. Hmmmm I don't remember off-hand, how do I differentiate "bl" as in "blame" from "bl" as in "table". There's a word or phrase for that kind of consonant. In anycase "bergen" in english is pronounced (by my family at least) as burrr (I'm cold) gen (kind of like gin in "begin" but maybe a bit shorter) On Aug 12, 2011 5:49 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 8:17 AM, tijlan wrote: > >> On 12 August 2011 11:31, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > Sorry, but I find that I naturally pronounce "Bergen" as {bErgen}. >> Granted, >> > I don't put a /lot/ of stress on the first syllable, but it's definitely >> > there. >> > I find myself incapable of pronouncing it with no stress at all, >> >> You never have to pronounce it without a stress in Lojban. Nor do you >> have to assume that it must have a stress and {bErgen} is the only >> natural way for everybody, if that's what you mean by "it's definitely >> there". >> > > I'm not talking about any rules or mandates. I'm talking about how my > tongue, lips, and vocal chords work when I attempt to say "Bergen". > > >> > although if I want to sound like a twat, I am able to put even /more/ >> stress >> > on gen than I do on ber. >> >> That would effectively be perceived as {ber,GEN}. > > > Duh. > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016364c7ea3addea504aa56e46b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No that's exactly how it's said.=A0 Burrrr like it's cold.= =A0 Hmmmm I don't remember off-hand, how do I differentiate "bl&qu= ot; as in "blame" from "bl" as in "table".=A0= There's a word or phrase for that kind of consonant.

In anycase "bergen" in english is pronounced (by my family at = least) as burrr (I'm cold) gen (kind of like gin in "begin" b= ut maybe a bit shorter)

On Aug 12, 2011 5:49 PM, "Jonathan Jones&qu= ot; <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrot= e:
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 8:17 AM, tijlan <= ;jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:<= br> >
>> On 12 August 2011 11:31, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > S= orry, but I find that I naturally pronounce "Bergen" as {bErgen}.=
>> Granted,
>> > I don't put a /lot/ of stress on the= first syllable, but it's definitely
>> > there.
>>= ; > I find myself incapable of pronouncing it with no stress at all,
>>
>> You never have to pronounce it without a stress in Loj= ban. Nor do you
>> have to assume that it must have a stress and {= bErgen} is the only
>> natural way for everybody, if that's wh= at you mean by "it's definitely
>> there".
>>
>
> I'm not talking abou= t any rules or mandates. I'm talking about how my
> tongue, lips,= and vocal chords work when I attempt to say "Bergen".
> >
>> > although if I want to sound like a twat, I am able t= o put even /more/
>> stress
>> > on gen than I do on b= er.
>>
>> That would effectively be perceived as {ber,GEN= }.
>
>
> Duh.
>
> <snip>
>
> = --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cm= ima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to = the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscri= bed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
> To post to this = group, send email to lojban@goog= legroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den.
>

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.
--0016364c7ea3addea504aa56e46b--